From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id +IhgHiNqu1/gBQAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2020 07:52:03 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id EHplGiNqu18sHAAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2020 07:52:03 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B3429404D3 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2020 07:52:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:58822 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kh6dl-0000Gh-OV for larch@yhetil.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2020 02:52:01 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33354) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kh6d0-0000FX-NF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2020 02:51:14 -0500 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:56843) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kh6cz-0000cD-7L for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2020 02:51:14 -0500 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:41.202.241.56]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002C1AE6.000000005FBB69E8.0000330C; Mon, 23 Nov 2020 07:51:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 01:11:52 +0300 From: Jean Louis To: Marcin Borkowski Subject: Re: Clock tables and two ways to categorize tasks Message-ID: References: <87h7pksalo.fsf@leo-B85-HD3.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me> <42BB991F-A000-4BB0-8040-27C4810F7C40@gronberg.org> <875z5xgjz2.fsf@mbork.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <875z5xgjz2.fsf@mbork.pl> User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.85.24.50; envelope-from=bugs@gnu.support; helo=static.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -3 X-Spam_score: -0.4 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=1.543, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: Org-Mode Emacs , Kristian =?utf-8?B?R3LDtm5iZXJn?= Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.51 X-TUID: l+yAToXw76SB * Marcin Borkowski [2020-11-23 00:28]: > Of course, in an ideal world we'd be paid for the results, not for the > time. But: > > 1. Welcome to the reality, this is not an ideal world. I am being paid > for my time. (And sometimes we really do not have a better option. How > would you calculate a teacher's wage?) Yes sure. In that time many valuable things take place. But time is more or less fixed per week or per month and is never as accurate. Do you track that time of work with Emacs? > 2. Clocking in and out is the question of habit. It does not really > take up a significant portion of my attention, especially with Ivy and > org-mru. I've been doing it for years, and while I do sometimes forget > about it, an occasional error does not make the whole data useless. > 3. Knowing where my time goes is the first step in optimizing it. OK so you observe when doing task A how long time you spend in task A, so that after 100 tasks you can find out where you spent most of time. The tasks I create are normally delegated to others on distance and I could not possible see what they do and how, if they really work or not so time tracking would be inaccurate statistics. By observation is found where most time is spent for nothing (useless dwelling).