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Emacs is master of difficulties for computer >> > user. For example I have not touched configuration files for >> > PostgreSQL since years, if not decades. I start wondering why. >> >> The issue here is distribution. Databases tend to be centralized and >> heavy weight. > > What does it mean centralized in this context? Majority of Relational > databases that I know have built-in collaboration features so that > people may access them from any part of the world; many have > replication features. I am not sure if "centralization" even fit into > the context. Hmm. Perhaps replication is after my time with RDBs in the 80s-90s. Be that as it may, the process is more difficult than what is used by Org now. Thinking about this more, I'm seeing possibilities with Org Mobile as is. I have to look at this more. > Regarding sizes: > ================ > > $ du -skh .emacs.d/elpa/org-20201216/ > 11M .emacs.d/elpa/org-20201216/ > > Database like : sqlite3 > Installed Size : 7.55 MiB > > Reference: > > Relational database - Wikipedia: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relational_database > > You have misconception of what is lightweight or what is not or what > is difficult, I guess it comes simply from not trying it out. > > There is no "standard" way of taking notes, especially not in Org, > neither in Emacs environment, or generally for people. Taking notes? Perhaps not. Capturing tasks/notes is org-capture. > [...] Very interesting! -- David Masterson