From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Avery Chan Subject: Reanalyzing archived TO-DOs Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 10:32:42 +0800 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C6CC73B4-D887-44CF-A4C3-DF36942F05E9" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:55966) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bWaNI-00041L-9n for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Aug 2016 22:33:09 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bWaNA-0002nQ-Qe for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Aug 2016 22:33:03 -0400 Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.26]:36992) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bWaN8-0002mq-HH for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Aug 2016 22:33:00 -0400 Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C657203E3 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 22:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.119.8.177] (unknown [103.16.26.151]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 89533F296E for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2016 22:32:47 -0400 (EDT) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --Apple-Mail=_C6CC73B4-D887-44CF-A4C3-DF36942F05E9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all, First I want to apologize for emailing this group. I tried searching the = mail archives, but: =E2=80=A2 Gmane is down. =E2=80=A2 The lists.gnu.org search is broken; = using the keyword =E2=80=98archive=E2=80=99 as the search string leads = to 0 references. I also did the prerequisite Google and search on Stackoverflow and = Reddit. I use org-mode as a TO-DO list: I setup a list of things to do, assign = time estimates to them, schedule them, and clock-in/clock-out. One of my = goals is to see how much time is actually spent on my to-dos versus the = amount of time I allocate to them.=20 One problem is what to do with completed tasks. They clutter up my todo = list so I usually archive them to another file. My problem is that after = archiving them, I can't compare the 'effort' with the actual 'clock = time' easily (i.e. using `C-c C-x C-c (org-agenda-columns)` doesn't = return the same results in my original org file as it does in the = archived file.) **What's a workflow that will allow me to open up my archived TO-DOs to = evaluate them?** Thank you! Avery= --Apple-Mail=_C6CC73B4-D887-44CF-A4C3-DF36942F05E9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hey all,

First I want to apologize for emailing this group. I tried = searching the mail archives, but:

=E2=80=A2 Gmane is down.
=E2=80=A2 The lists.gnu.org search is broken; using the keyword = =E2=80=98archive=E2=80=99 as the search string leads to 0 = references.

I = also did the prerequisite Google and search on Stackoverflow and = Reddit.

I use org-mode as a TO-DO list: I setup a list of things to = do, assign time estimates to them, schedule them, and = clock-in/clock-out. One of my goals is to see how much time is actually = spent on my to-dos versus the amount of time I allocate to = them. 

One = problem is what to do with completed tasks. They clutter up my todo list = so I usually archive them to another file. My problem is that after = archiving them, I can't compare the 'effort' with the actual 'clock = time' easily (i.e. using `C-c C-x C-c     = (org-agenda-columns)` doesn't return the same results in my original org = file as it does in the archived file.)

**What's a workflow that will allow me = to open up my archived TO-DOs to evaluate them?**

Thank you!

Avery
= --Apple-Mail=_C6CC73B4-D887-44CF-A4C3-DF36942F05E9-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Matt Lundin Subject: Re: OReanalyzing archived TO-DOs Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 15:40:47 -0500 Message-ID: <87zionyoxc.fsf@fastmail.fm> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35552) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bWrM8-0005lC-4D for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 16:41:05 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bWrM3-0000fT-U8 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 16:41:03 -0400 Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.26]:51310) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bWrM1-0000dI-Is for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 16:40:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Avery Chan's message of "Mon, 8 Aug 2016 10:32:42 +0800") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Avery Chan Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi Avery, Avery Chan writes: > One problem is what to do with completed tasks. They clutter up my > todo list so I usually archive them to another file. My problem is > that after archiving them, I can't compare the 'effort' with the > actual 'clock time' easily (i.e. using `C-c C-x C-c > (org-agenda-columns)` doesn't return the same results in my original > org file as it does in the archived file.) I can't replicate this. Could you provide an minimal example that demonstrates the problem? > **What's a workflow that will allow me to open up my archived TO-DOs > to evaluate them?** I would probably do the same thing you did: i.e., use column view in the archive file. You could also try including archive files in the agenda ("v A") and then using column view in the agenda. That would have the effect of merging archived and non-archived tasks into a single view. Best, Matt From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Avery Chan Subject: Re: OReanalyzing archived TO-DOs Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 11:10:01 +0800 Message-ID: References: <87zionyoxc.fsf@fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A0E9B6EE-9910-4C0D-8F94-85748228D150" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39194) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bWxQu-0003lu-UL for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 23:10:26 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bWxQr-000889-Kr for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 23:10:24 -0400 Received: from out2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.26]:42050) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bWxQp-00085Y-8F for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2016 23:10:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87zionyoxc.fsf@fastmail.fm> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Matt Lundin Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --Apple-Mail=_A0E9B6EE-9910-4C0D-8F94-85748228D150 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Matt, Thanks for your reply. In trying to build the MinEx I found the solution = to my problem: 1) In my archive file, I did not have the correct column-definition = layout that I had in my original TODO.org file: `#+COLUMNS: %40ITEM(Task) %17Effort(Estimated Effort){:} %CLOCKSUM` 2) In my archive file, if I had archived the item in my original file = (i.e. tagged it as archived) and then sent the sub-tree to the actual = archive, it would be marked as =E2=80=98ARCHIVED=E2=80=99 in the archive = file. To achieve what I described below, the proper action would be to = just archive it directly into the archive file instead of tagging it. = Org-mode ignores any items that are tagged as =E2=80=98ARCHIVED=E2=80=99 = when you try use column-view. I do have a follow-up questions. I noticed that sometimes Org-mode = wouldn=E2=80=99t pick up my column definition. Is there a way to tell = org-mode to reload the file with the column-defintion layout? To get it = to work, I saved the org file, quit emacs and then ran emacs again with = the org file; then org-mode picked up my column-definition layout. This = is very easy to replicate. I=E2=80=99ve included an org-mode file here. = Just run column view and quit column view. Then delete the = column-definition layout line at the top and re-run column view. (see = below). Avery =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 # -*- mode: org -*- #+PROPERTY: Effort_ALL 0 0:10 0:30 1:00 2:00 3:00 4:00 5:00 6:00 7:00 #+COLUMNS: %40ITEM(Task) %17Effort(Estimated Effort){:} %CLOCKSUM Archived entries from file /Users/avery/test-archive.org * Feed dinosaur :PROPERTIES: :Effort: 0:30 :ARCHIVE_TIME: 2016-08-09 Tue 10:50 :ARCHIVE_FILE: ~/test-archive.org :ARCHIVE_OLPATH: List :ARCHIVE_CATEGORY: test-archive :END: <2016-08-09 Tue 8:00-08:30> * DONE Polish steel rocket pack CLOSED: [2016-08-09 Tue 11:02] :PROPERTIES: :Effort: 1:00 :ARCHIVE_TIME: 2016-08-09 Tue 11:03 :ARCHIVE_FILE: ~/test-archive.org :ARCHIVE_OLPATH: List :ARCHIVE_CATEGORY: test-archive :ARCHIVE_TODO: DONE :END: :LOGBOOK: CLOCK: [2016-08-09 Tue 11:02]--[2016-08-10 Wed 11:02] =3D> 24:00 :END: <2016-08-09 Tue 23:00-00:00> > On Aug 9, 2016, at 4:40 AM, Matt Lundin wrote: >=20 > Hi Avery, >=20 > Avery Chan writes: >=20 >> One problem is what to do with completed tasks. They clutter up my >> todo list so I usually archive them to another file. My problem is >> that after archiving them, I can't compare the 'effort' with the >> actual 'clock time' easily (i.e. using `C-c C-x C-c =20 >> (org-agenda-columns)` doesn't return the same results in my original >> org file as it does in the archived file.) >=20 > I can't replicate this. Could you provide an minimal example that > demonstrates the problem? >=20 >> **What's a workflow that will allow me to open up my archived TO-DOs >> to evaluate them?** >=20 > I would probably do the same thing you did: i.e., use column view in = the > archive file. You could also try including archive files in the agenda > ("v A") and then using column view in the agenda. That would have the > effect of merging archived and non-archived tasks into a single view. >=20 > Best, > Matt --Apple-Mail=_A0E9B6EE-9910-4C0D-8F94-85748228D150 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi Matt,

Thanks for your reply. In trying to build the MinEx I found = the solution to my problem:

1) In my archive file, I did not have the correct = column-definition layout that I had in my original TODO.org file:
`#+COLUMNS: %40ITEM(Task) %17Effort(Estimated Effort){:} = %CLOCKSUM`

2) = In my archive file, if I had archived the item in my original file (i.e. = tagged it as archived) and then sent the sub-tree to the actual archive, = it would be marked as =E2=80=98ARCHIVED=E2=80=99 in the archive file. To = achieve what I described below, the proper action would be to just = archive it directly into the archive file instead of tagging it. = Org-mode ignores any items that are tagged as =E2=80=98ARCHIVED=E2=80=99 = when you try use column-view.

I do have a follow-up questions. I = noticed that sometimes Org-mode wouldn=E2=80=99t pick up my column = definition. Is there a way to tell org-mode to reload the file with the = column-defintion layout? To get it to work, I saved the org file, quit = emacs and then ran emacs again with the org file; then org-mode picked = up my column-definition layout. This is very easy to replicate. I=E2=80=99= ve included an org-mode file here. Just run column view and quit column = view. Then delete the column-definition layout line at the top and = re-run column view. (see below).

Avery

=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94
#    -*- mode: org -*-
#+PROPERTY: Effort_ALL 0 0:10 0:30 1:00 2:00 3:00 4:00 5:00 = 6:00 7:00
#+COLUMNS: %40ITEM(Task) = %17Effort(Estimated Effort){:} %CLOCKSUM

Archived entries from file = /Users/avery/test-archive.org


* = Feed dinosaur
:PROPERTIES:
:Effort:   0:30
:ARCHIVE_TIME: = 2016-08-09 Tue 10:50
:ARCHIVE_FILE: ~/test-archive.org
:ARCHIVE_OLPATH: List
:ARCHIVE_CATEGORY: = test-archive
:END:
<2016-08-09 Tue 8:00-08:30>

* DONE Polish steel rocket = pack
CLOSED: [2016-08-09 Tue 11:02]
:PROPERTIES:
:Effort:   = 1:00
:ARCHIVE_TIME: 2016-08-09 Tue 11:03
:ARCHIVE_FILE: ~/test-archive.org
:ARCHIVE_OLPATH: = List
:ARCHIVE_CATEGORY: test-archive
:ARCHIVE_TODO: DONE
:END:
:LOGBOOK:
CLOCK: [2016-08-09 Tue = 11:02]--[2016-08-10 Wed 11:02] =3D> 24:00
:END:
<2016-08-09 Tue = 23:00-00:00>

On Aug 9, 2016, at 4:40 AM, = Matt Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org> wrote:

Hi Avery,

Avery Chan <avery@avericity.com>= writes:

One problem is what to do with completed tasks. They clutter = up my
todo list so I usually archive them to another file. = My problem is
that after archiving them, I can't compare = the 'effort' with the
actual 'clock time' easily (i.e. = using `C-c C-x C-c    
(org-agenda-columns)` = doesn't return the same results in my original
org file as = it does in the archived file.)

I= can't replicate this. Could you provide an minimal example that
demonstrates the problem?

**What's a workflow that = will allow me to open up my archived TO-DOs
to evaluate = them?**

I would probably do = the same thing you did: i.e., use column view in the
archive= file. You could also try including archive files in the agenda
("v A") and then using column view in the agenda. That would = have the
effect of merging archived and non-archived tasks = into a single view.

Best,
Matt

= --Apple-Mail=_A0E9B6EE-9910-4C0D-8F94-85748228D150--