From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: James Levine Subject: Re: would take more than an org-mode strip-down. Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:47:31 -0400 Message-ID: References: <92B42F15-B849-473D-9E4C-F513A5DD80E8@me.com> <81hb3wn420.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:47584) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8vQV-0006g6-EG for Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:48:01 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8vQH-0005Mo-Al for Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:47:51 -0400 Received: from asmtpout028.mac.com ([17.148.16.103]:39395) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1R8vQH-0005LJ-6f for Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:47:45 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.10] (50-12-94-0.nyc.clearwire-wmx.net [50.12.94.0]) by asmtp028.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LS80043BMF96100@asmtp028.mac.com> for Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2011 07:47:37 -0700 (PDT) In-reply-to: <81hb3wn420.fsf@gmail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Jambunathan K Cc: Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org I=92ll go on leap of faith that the email I=92ve been provided actually = contributes to the same thread I emailed to earlier. Please everyone: = thank you for looking out. This is clearly a thoughtful and supportive = community. You can not deny, however, that even the design of this forum = is but one example of how the Emacs community maintains its exclusivity. = Own up to it. If there=92s no problem, then don=92t fix it. But for = those who are following the statements on comparing org-mode to = commercial substitutes like Taskpaper and see this as an outcome of = people making less-informed choices, I hope I can keep your attention. = Once I know which way to point my eyes, I promise I will fall in line. = Please take a step back folks, there=92s an implied objective that I=92m = making which I=92ll state more explicitly: In order for org-mode to be attractive as an alternative to popular = self-help like GTD, Covey and the market of task managers both digital = and paper that exist, this community would need to take all this = extensive documentation and package it. Do not confuse content with = transparency. People don=92t even read this much before electing their = President. Should open-source software not concern itself with good = bullet points? Does this imply that I=92m not appreciative of the work? = There=92s an opportunity cost with finding the time for even this = thread, which I=92m hoping we can agree should not be a barrier of entry = for those who are simply interested in trying org-mode. As it stands, = however, just trying org-mode takes lots of reading if just to install = correctly. That=92s all I=92m saying.=20 Text is but one way that people learn. If you=92re documenting sofware, = it leans towards rational, logical, and linear thinking. Some people = require a full-picture model first seeing things from many angles. = Other=92s prefer trial and error, and others, still, enjoy = hypotheticals. People can adopt different strategies along the way. But = to insist on only one method of learning and sharing, while being = concerned that you=92re not meeting a larger audience is tantamount to = calling the rest of the class stupid, or simply a manner of dishonesty = with one=92s own motivations. Maybe what would be helpful is some bridge instruction: =93Graduating = from Taskpaper: so you=92re ready to try org-mode. What to expect:=94 I = do find that if I have an orientation point, even if it wasn=92t the = best decision in the first place, I have a better reference as to the = changes I would envision and what the value of future options would be. cheers James On Sep 28, 2011, at 10:18 AM, Jambunathan K wrote: James > Greetings, >=20 > As an expert end-user but outside the computer science field, I=92ve > felt there to be a high cost of entry for working in org-mode.=20 This is another perfectly practical way to address the problem that you are contending to with. https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2011-04/msg00173.html Jambunathan K.