* unicorn @ 2009-02-25 21:58 Raimund Kohl-Füchsle 2009-02-26 20:19 ` unicorn Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Raimund Kohl-Füchsle @ 2009-02-25 21:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Org-Mode-Mailingliste Hello there, just a (stupid?) question: On the orgmode.org site there is the image of a unicorn. Is this the official Logo for org-mode? I (finaly!) plan on writing and publishing a little org-mode Manual and I would find it nice to have a logo that connects to the project of org-mode. Oh, and btw, if german guys from the list here are wanting to help, help would be very welcome ... :-) ray ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: unicorn 2009-02-25 21:58 unicorn Raimund Kohl-Füchsle @ 2009-02-26 20:19 ` Carsten Dominik 2009-02-27 11:12 ` unicorn Bastien [not found] ` <874oyfh01a.fsf@gmx.ch> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-02-26 20:19 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Raimund Kohl-Füchsle; +Cc: Org-Mode-Mailingliste Hi Raimund, I guess it is something like an official logo, yes (even though some people don't like it, I have seen it being called "demasculinating" ...) You are welcome to use it for Org-related stuff. - Carsten On Feb 25, 2009, at 10:58 PM, Raimund Kohl-Füchsle wrote: > Hello there, > > just a (stupid?) question: On the orgmode.org site there is the > image of > a unicorn. Is this the official Logo for org-mode? I (finaly!) > plan on > writing and publishing a little org-mode Manual and I would find it > nice > to have a logo that connects to the project of org-mode. > > Oh, and btw, if german guys from the list here are wanting to help, > help > would be very welcome ... :-) > > ray > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: unicorn 2009-02-26 20:19 ` unicorn Carsten Dominik @ 2009-02-27 11:12 ` Bastien 2009-02-27 11:21 ` unicorn Carsten Dominik 2009-02-27 18:35 ` unicorn Jason F. McBrayer [not found] ` <874oyfh01a.fsf@gmx.ch> 1 sibling, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2009-02-27 11:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: Org-Mode-Mailingliste Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > I guess it is something like an official logo, yes (even though > some people don't like it, I have seen it being called "demasculinating" > ...) Hehe... Since I picked up this "animal", I entirely assume any queer connotation it may have. The IT world is already "masculine" enough! -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: unicorn 2009-02-27 11:12 ` unicorn Bastien @ 2009-02-27 11:21 ` Carsten Dominik 2009-02-27 18:33 ` unicorn Ross A. Laird ` (2 more replies) 2009-02-27 18:35 ` unicorn Jason F. McBrayer 1 sibling, 3 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-02-27 11:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bastien; +Cc: Org-Mode-Mailingliste On Feb 27, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Bastien wrote: > Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > >> I guess it is something like an official logo, yes (even though >> some people don't like it, I have seen it being called >> "demasculinating" >> ...) > > Hehe... Since I picked up this "animal", I entirely assume any queer > connotation it may have. The IT world is already "masculine" enough! > > -- > Bastien :-) I like it, and I really do like the list of reasons we have (in hindsight) for choosing it... http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.php#unicorn - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: unicorn 2009-02-27 11:21 ` unicorn Carsten Dominik @ 2009-02-27 18:33 ` Ross A. Laird 2009-02-28 12:18 ` [OT] unicorn Detlef Steuer 2009-02-28 16:17 ` OT " Carsten Dominik 2009-02-27 18:47 ` unicorn Russell Adams 2009-02-27 19:56 ` unicorn J Aaron Farr 2 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Ross A. Laird @ 2009-02-27 18:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > On Feb 27, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Bastien wrote: > >> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: >> >>> I guess it is something like an official logo, yes (even though >>> some people don't like it, I have seen it being called >>> "demasculinating" >>> ...) >> >> Hehe... Since I picked up this "animal", I entirely assume any queer >> connotation it may have. The IT world is already "masculine" enough! >> Bastien > > I like it, and I really do like the list of reasons > we have (in hindsight) for choosing it... > I teach several courses in mythology at my university (it's my area of concentration), and I feel inclined to say that the unicorn, as a mythological animal, does not have any type of queer of emasculating connotation in myth. In fact, it is sometimes quite a masculine animal that is related to the stag in the grail quest (the stag stabs, with his antler, the inner thigh of the grail knight, thus showing the stag's greater masculinity). These animals are symbols of divinity, essentially, of the fusion of purity and power. They don't really have a sexual connotation other than the idea of generative power (like the bull). Queer is a new idea in myth; it's about fifty years old. Myth itself, on the other hand, is about 70,000 years old. So, the application of queer terminology to mythological items such as unicorns is a modern practice which has no real impact on ancient myths and myth items such as the unicorn. In a thousand years we will still have myths of the unicorn, but the idea of queer will probably have evolved into something else (it already is evolving into something else...). As to the question of whether or not unicorns still exist (see org FAQ), this falls within the same domain as the question of whether Atlantis exists. The answer (as much as there can be one) is that they do exist, as mythological items that Carl Jung called "archetypal;" they are essential to, and foundational of, human nature. They will always be a part of human culture, and exist timelessly in that sense whether or not they exist in fact. I can hardly ever contribute anything useful to this list. Today is an exception. Cheers. Ross -- Ross A. Laird, PhD www.rosslaird.info ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* [OT] Re: unicorn 2009-02-27 18:33 ` unicorn Ross A. Laird @ 2009-02-28 12:18 ` Detlef Steuer 2009-02-28 19:17 ` Carsten Dominik 2009-02-28 16:17 ` OT " Carsten Dominik 1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Detlef Steuer @ 2009-02-28 12:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode > > I teach several courses in mythology at my university (it's my area of > concentration), and I feel inclined to say that the unicorn, as a > mythological animal, does not have any type of queer of emasculating > connotation in myth. In fact, it is sometimes quite a masculine animal > that is related to the stag in the grail quest (the stag stabs, with his > antler, the inner thigh of the grail knight, thus showing the stag's > greater masculinity). These animals are symbols of divinity, > essentially, of the fusion of purity and power. They don't really have a > sexual connotation other than the idea of generative power (like the > bull). Queer is a new idea in myth; it's about fifty years old. Myth > itself, on the other hand, is about 70,000 years old. So, the > application of queer terminology to mythological items such as unicorns > is a modern practice which has no real impact on ancient myths and myth > items such as the unicorn. In a thousand years we will still have myths > of the unicorn, but the idea of queer will probably have evolved into > something else (it already is evolving into something else...). > > As to the question of whether or not unicorns still exist (see org FAQ), > this falls within the same domain as the question of whether Atlantis > exists. The answer (as much as there can be one) is that they do exist, > as mythological items that Carl Jung called "archetypal;" they are > essential to, and foundational of, human nature. They will always be a > part of human culture, and exist timelessly in that sense whether or not > they exist in fact. > > I can hardly ever contribute anything useful to this list. Today is an > exception. Thank you very much! Posts like these convince me, that org-mode is a very nice and capable filter to find people who are worth listening to. Carsten, you started building a tool and what you've got is a real interdisciplinary fan group! Nice weekend to all of you Detlef -- Wisely, and slow. They stumble that run fast. - Shakespeare ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] Re: unicorn 2009-02-28 12:18 ` [OT] unicorn Detlef Steuer @ 2009-02-28 19:17 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-02-28 19:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Detlef Steuer; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Feb 28, 2009, at 1:18 PM, Detlef Steuer wrote: >> >> I teach several courses in mythology at my university (it's my area >> of >> concentration), and I feel inclined to say that the unicorn, as a >> mythological animal, does not have any type of queer of emasculating >> connotation in myth. In fact, it is sometimes quite a masculine >> animal >> that is related to the stag in the grail quest (the stag stabs, >> with his >> antler, the inner thigh of the grail knight, thus showing the stag's >> greater masculinity). These animals are symbols of divinity, >> essentially, of the fusion of purity and power. They don't really >> have a >> sexual connotation other than the idea of generative power (like the >> bull). Queer is a new idea in myth; it's about fifty years old. Myth >> itself, on the other hand, is about 70,000 years old. So, the >> application of queer terminology to mythological items such as >> unicorns >> is a modern practice which has no real impact on ancient myths and >> myth >> items such as the unicorn. In a thousand years we will still have >> myths >> of the unicorn, but the idea of queer will probably have evolved into >> something else (it already is evolving into something else...). >> >> As to the question of whether or not unicorns still exist (see org >> FAQ), >> this falls within the same domain as the question of whether Atlantis >> exists. The answer (as much as there can be one) is that they do >> exist, >> as mythological items that Carl Jung called "archetypal;" they are >> essential to, and foundational of, human nature. They will always >> be a >> part of human culture, and exist timelessly in that sense whether >> or not >> they exist in fact. >> >> I can hardly ever contribute anything useful to this list. Today is >> an >> exception. > > Thank you very much! Posts like these convince me, that org-mode > is a very nice and capable filter to find people who are worth > listening to. > > Carsten, you started building a tool and what you've got is a real > interdisciplinary fan group! :-) Yes, it is quite beautiful... - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* OT Re: unicorn 2009-02-27 18:33 ` unicorn Ross A. Laird 2009-02-28 12:18 ` [OT] unicorn Detlef Steuer @ 2009-02-28 16:17 ` Carsten Dominik 2009-02-28 18:37 ` Ross A. Laird 1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-02-28 16:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ross A. Laird; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Hi Ross, great post, thank you very much! You have made me curious: What argumentation is used to estimate the age of Myth at 70000 years. I can't be the fossile record, I guess :-) So I am wondering how something like this is figured out. If you feel like putting background stuff about unicorns into the FAQ, be my guest. - Carsten On Feb 27, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Ross A. Laird wrote: > Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > >> On Feb 27, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Bastien wrote: >> >>> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: >>> >>>> I guess it is something like an official logo, yes (even though >>>> some people don't like it, I have seen it being called >>>> "demasculinating" >>>> ...) >>> >>> Hehe... Since I picked up this "animal", I entirely assume any >>> queer >>> connotation it may have. The IT world is already "masculine" >>> enough! > >>> Bastien >> >> I like it, and I really do like the list of reasons >> we have (in hindsight) for choosing it... >> > > I teach several courses in mythology at my university (it's my area of > concentration), and I feel inclined to say that the unicorn, as a > mythological animal, does not have any type of queer of emasculating > connotation in myth. In fact, it is sometimes quite a masculine animal > that is related to the stag in the grail quest (the stag stabs, with > his > antler, the inner thigh of the grail knight, thus showing the stag's > greater masculinity). These animals are symbols of divinity, > essentially, of the fusion of purity and power. They don't really > have a > sexual connotation other than the idea of generative power (like the > bull). Queer is a new idea in myth; it's about fifty years old. Myth > itself, on the other hand, is about 70,000 years old. So, the > application of queer terminology to mythological items such as > unicorns > is a modern practice which has no real impact on ancient myths and > myth > items such as the unicorn. In a thousand years we will still have > myths > of the unicorn, but the idea of queer will probably have evolved into > something else (it already is evolving into something else...). > > As to the question of whether or not unicorns still exist (see org > FAQ), > this falls within the same domain as the question of whether Atlantis > exists. The answer (as much as there can be one) is that they do > exist, > as mythological items that Carl Jung called "archetypal;" they are > essential to, and foundational of, human nature. They will always be a > part of human culture, and exist timelessly in that sense whether or > not > they exist in fact. > > I can hardly ever contribute anything useful to this list. Today is an > exception. > > Cheers. > > Ross > > -- > Ross A. Laird, PhD > www.rosslaird.info > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: OT Re: unicorn 2009-02-28 16:17 ` OT " Carsten Dominik @ 2009-02-28 18:37 ` Ross A. Laird 2009-02-28 19:35 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Ross A. Laird @ 2009-02-28 18:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > Hi Ross, > > great post, thank you very much! > > You have made me curious: What argumentation is used to estimate > the age of Myth at 70000 years. I can't be the fossile record, > I guess :-) So I am wondering how something like this is figured out. > > If you feel like putting background stuff about unicorns into the > FAQ, be my guest. > > - Carsten > Hi Carsten; Thanks for the feedback -- and actually, I was wondering if someone might ask about the 70,000 years. Until recently, the accepted date for the appearance of human culture -- as evidenced by complex tools and apparent symbolic thinking -- was somewhere around thirty or forty thousand years ago (the so-called Willendorf Venus figures, for example). But this threshold has now doubled back -- to at least seventy thousand before the present. Archaeologists working at the Blombos cave in South Africa have found, among other surprises, finely worked weapons decorated with symbolic engravings -- within a strata older than seventy thousand years. So, it seems that humans were thinking in terms of symbols at least 70,000 years ago. And symbols always derive from myths (this is the most basic rule of myth: symbols indicate myths). So, myths are at least 70,000 years old. By the way, this is not the same as the emergence of individuality, which is a related but not identical development. Individuality seems to have taken quite a bit longer: it seems to first appear with the ancient Egyptians around 3000 BCE. A statue of the pharaoh Khafre (the owner of the second-largest pyramid at Giza) is the world's oldest surviving individualized work of art. This statue is now in room 42 of the Cairo Museum. So indeed, the answer to life, the universe, and everything is 42! (I devoted quite a bit of time to Khafre in my book on myth; he was a very interesting character who may be the face on the sphinx; and the sphinx, of course, is of the same mythological family as the unicorn). Cheers. Ross > On Feb 27, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Ross A. Laird wrote: > >> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: >> >>> On Feb 27, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Bastien wrote: >>> >>>> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: >>>> >>>>> I guess it is something like an official logo, yes (even though >>>>> some people don't like it, I have seen it being called >>>>> "demasculinating" >>>>> ...) >>>> >>>> Hehe... Since I picked up this "animal", I entirely assume any >>>> queer >>>> connotation it may have. The IT world is already "masculine" >>>> enough! >> >>>> Bastien >>> >>> I like it, and I really do like the list of reasons >>> we have (in hindsight) for choosing it... >>> >> >> I teach several courses in mythology at my university (it's my area of >> concentration), and I feel inclined to say that the unicorn, as a >> mythological animal, does not have any type of queer of emasculating >> connotation in myth. In fact, it is sometimes quite a masculine animal >> that is related to the stag in the grail quest (the stag stabs, with >> his >> antler, the inner thigh of the grail knight, thus showing the stag's >> greater masculinity). These animals are symbols of divinity, >> essentially, of the fusion of purity and power. They don't really >> have a >> sexual connotation other than the idea of generative power (like the >> bull). Queer is a new idea in myth; it's about fifty years old. Myth >> itself, on the other hand, is about 70,000 years old. So, the >> application of queer terminology to mythological items such as >> unicorns >> is a modern practice which has no real impact on ancient myths and >> myth >> items such as the unicorn. In a thousand years we will still have >> myths >> of the unicorn, but the idea of queer will probably have evolved into >> something else (it already is evolving into something else...). >> >> As to the question of whether or not unicorns still exist (see org >> FAQ), >> this falls within the same domain as the question of whether Atlantis >> exists. The answer (as much as there can be one) is that they do >> exist, >> as mythological items that Carl Jung called "archetypal;" they are >> essential to, and foundational of, human nature. They will always be a >> part of human culture, and exist timelessly in that sense whether or >> not >> they exist in fact. >> >> I can hardly ever contribute anything useful to this list. Today is an >> exception. >> >> Cheers. >> >> Ross >> >> -- >> Ross A. Laird, PhD >> www.rosslaird.info >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Emacs-orgmode mailing list >> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. >> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org >> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > -- Ross A. Laird, PhD www.rosslaird.info ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: OT Re: unicorn 2009-02-28 18:37 ` Ross A. Laird @ 2009-02-28 19:35 ` Carsten Dominik 2009-02-28 20:56 ` Ross A. Laird 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-02-28 19:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Ross A. Laird; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Feb 28, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Ross A. Laird wrote: > Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > >> Hi Ross, >> >> great post, thank you very much! >> >> You have made me curious: What argumentation is used to estimate >> the age of Myth at 70000 years. I can't be the fossile record, >> I guess :-) So I am wondering how something like this is figured >> out. >> >> If you feel like putting background stuff about unicorns into the >> FAQ, be my guest. >> >> - Carsten >> > > Hi Carsten; > > Thanks for the feedback -- and actually, I was wondering if someone > might ask about the 70,000 years. Until recently, the accepted date > for > the appearance of human culture -- as evidenced by complex tools and > apparent symbolic thinking -- was somewhere around thirty or forty > thousand years ago (the so-called Willendorf Venus figures, for > example). But this threshold has now doubled back -- to at least > seventy > thousand before the present. Archaeologists working at the Blombos > cave > in South Africa have found, among other surprises, finely worked > weapons > decorated with symbolic engravings -- within a strata older than > seventy > thousand years. > > So, it seems that humans were thinking in terms of symbols at least > 70,000 years ago. And symbols always derive from myths (this is the > most > basic rule of myth: symbols indicate myths). So, myths are at least > 70,000 years old. By the way, this is not the same as the emergence of > individuality, which is a related but not identical development. > Individuality seems to have taken quite a bit longer: it seems to > first > appear with the ancient Egyptians around 3000 BCE. A statue of the > pharaoh Khafre (the owner of the second-largest pyramid at Giza) is > the > world's oldest surviving individualized work of art. This statue is > now > in room 42 of the Cairo Museum. So indeed, the answer to life, the > universe, and everything is 42! (I devoted quite a bit of time to > Khafre > in my book on myth; he was a very interesting character who may be the > face on the sphinx; and the sphinx, of course, is of the same > mythological family as the unicorn). Hi Ross, I can see how symbols can be related to Myth. But I am wondering if the definition of individualism is not very restrictive. I believe I have read somewhere that decoration or jewelry, personal ornaments, are a way to detect individuality, and I surely would have thought that this must pre-date work of art that depicts an individual - which I think is what you are referring to with Kafre, I have seen pictures of his face fragment - beautiful (is that in room 42 as well?) Cheers - Carsten ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: OT Re: unicorn 2009-02-28 19:35 ` Carsten Dominik @ 2009-02-28 20:56 ` Ross A. Laird 2009-03-01 13:26 ` Jason F. McBrayer 0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Ross A. Laird @ 2009-02-28 20:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > On Feb 28, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Ross A. Laird wrote: > >> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: >> >>> Hi Ross, >>> >>> great post, thank you very much! >>> >>> You have made me curious: What argumentation is used to estimate >>> the age of Myth at 70000 years. I can't be the fossile record, >>> I guess :-) So I am wondering how something like this is figured >>> out. >>> >>> If you feel like putting background stuff about unicorns into the >>> FAQ, be my guest. >>> >>> - Carsten >>> >> >> Hi Carsten; >> >> Thanks for the feedback -- and actually, I was wondering if someone >> might ask about the 70,000 years. Until recently, the accepted date >> for >> the appearance of human culture -- as evidenced by complex tools and >> apparent symbolic thinking -- was somewhere around thirty or forty >> thousand years ago (the so-called Willendorf Venus figures, for >> example). But this threshold has now doubled back -- to at least >> seventy >> thousand before the present. Archaeologists working at the Blombos >> cave >> in South Africa have found, among other surprises, finely worked >> weapons >> decorated with symbolic engravings -- within a strata older than >> seventy >> thousand years. >> >> So, it seems that humans were thinking in terms of symbols at least >> 70,000 years ago. And symbols always derive from myths (this is the >> most >> basic rule of myth: symbols indicate myths). So, myths are at least >> 70,000 years old. By the way, this is not the same as the emergence of >> individuality, which is a related but not identical development. >> Individuality seems to have taken quite a bit longer: it seems to >> first >> appear with the ancient Egyptians around 3000 BCE. A statue of the >> pharaoh Khafre (the owner of the second-largest pyramid at Giza) is >> the >> world's oldest surviving individualized work of art. This statue is >> now >> in room 42 of the Cairo Museum. So indeed, the answer to life, the >> universe, and everything is 42! (I devoted quite a bit of time to >> Khafre >> in my book on myth; he was a very interesting character who may be the >> face on the sphinx; and the sphinx, of course, is of the same >> mythological family as the unicorn). > > Hi Ross, > > I can see how symbols can be related to Myth. But I am wondering > if the definition of individualism is not very restrictive. > > I believe I have read somewhere that decoration or jewelry, personal > ornaments, are a way to detect individuality, and I surely would have > thought that this must pre-date work of art that depicts an > individual - which I think is what you are referring to with Kafre, > I have seen pictures of his face fragment - beautiful (is that in > room 42 as well?) The face fragment that most people have seen (the one that's in the Metropolitan Museum in New York), is of Queen Tiye (http://rosslaird.info/queen). I'm not aware of any face fragments of Khafre -- but they may exist. The room 42 statue is the only one still intact from a series that once lined the collonade of the Valley temple. The rest were smashed, and they are still finding fragments from those (so, perhaps there is a face fragment after all). The room 42 statue survived because it was tossed into a well (this all happened during a war, of course). The Khafre statue is interesting because -- unlike all previous art -- it clearly represents an actual person. All previous art is more archetypal: a figure of a man represents all men, etc. So, before the age of Khafre no one seems to have thought to make art that was specific enough to be identifiable as one individual. They could have done so, but for some reason did not. All the art is very vague and impersonal. So, this does not mean that individuality did not exist, but it must certainly have had a different relationship to art than what we have now. It's perhaps the biggest question of archaeo-psychology: when did the individual mind develop? Somewhere between 2000,000 BCE and 3000 BCE; that's about as close as we can get. There's a relationship with symbols involved with this evolution, but no one knows how it works. All very mysterious... Cheers. Ross > > Cheers > > - Carsten > > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > -- Ross A. Laird, PhD www.rosslaird.info ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: OT Re: unicorn 2009-02-28 20:56 ` Ross A. Laird @ 2009-03-01 13:26 ` Jason F. McBrayer 0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Jason F. McBrayer @ 2009-03-01 13:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode ross@rosslaird.info (Ross A. Laird) writes: > So, before the age of Khafre no one seems to have thought to make art > that was specific enough to be identifiable as one individual. Or such art didn't survive because it was made of perishable materials. Or it was specific enough to be identifiable as one individual /by a member of their culture/, but not by us (because it depicted their ceremonial properties, or their tattoos, or their name, or whatever, instead of their face and form). -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | | If someone conquers a thousand times a thousand others in | | battle, and someone else conquers himself, the latter one | | is the greatest of all conquerors. --- The Dhammapada | ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: unicorn 2009-02-27 11:21 ` unicorn Carsten Dominik 2009-02-27 18:33 ` unicorn Ross A. Laird @ 2009-02-27 18:47 ` Russell Adams 2009-02-27 19:34 ` unicorn Christopher Suckling 2009-02-27 19:56 ` unicorn J Aaron Farr 2 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Russell Adams @ 2009-02-27 18:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode In the spirit of Org, we need a folding unicorn! ;] On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:21:32PM +0100, Carsten Dominik wrote: > > On Feb 27, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Bastien wrote: > >> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: >> >>> I guess it is something like an official logo, yes (even though >>> some people don't like it, I have seen it being called >>> "demasculinating" >>> ...) >> >> Hehe... Since I picked up this "animal", I entirely assume any queer >> connotation it may have. The IT world is already "masculine" enough! >> >> -- >> Bastien > > > :-) > > I like it, and I really do like the list of reasons > we have (in hindsight) for choosing it... > > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.php#unicorn > > > - Carsten > > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > ------------------------------------------------------------------ Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: unicorn 2009-02-27 18:47 ` unicorn Russell Adams @ 2009-02-27 19:34 ` Christopher Suckling 2009-03-01 23:22 ` unicorn Tim Burt 2011-04-07 20:38 ` unicorn Nick Dokos 0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Christopher Suckling @ 2009-02-27 19:34 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Russell Adams; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On 27 Feb 2009, at 18:47, Russell Adams wrote: > In the spirit of Org, we need a folding unicorn! ;] http://www.pajarita.org/aep/pajaritas/pajarita3-4.pdf Best wishes, Christopher ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: unicorn 2009-02-27 19:34 ` unicorn Christopher Suckling @ 2009-03-01 23:22 ` Tim Burt 2011-04-07 20:38 ` unicorn Nick Dokos 1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Tim Burt @ 2009-03-01 23:22 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Christopher Suckling; +Cc: Russell Adams, emacs-orgmode Christopher Suckling writes: > > On 27 Feb 2009, at 18:47, Russell Adams wrote: > > > In the spirit of Org, we need a folding unicorn! ;] > > http://www.pajarita.org/aep/pajaritas/pajarita3-4.pdf In the spirit of Org I made a fold*ed* unicorn. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tcburt/sets/72157614543357071/ The model is from "Mythological Creatures and the Chinese Zodiac in Origami" by John Montroll. The designers and developers of origami models amaze me with their ingenuity and ability, which is a strikingly similar sentiment I have for the org community. Tim ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: unicorn 2009-02-27 19:34 ` unicorn Christopher Suckling 2009-03-01 23:22 ` unicorn Tim Burt @ 2011-04-07 20:38 ` Nick Dokos 2011-04-08 16:13 ` unicorn Bastien 1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread From: Nick Dokos @ 2011-04-07 20:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Christopher Suckling <suckling.list <at> googlemail.com> writes: > > > On 27 Feb 2009, at 18:47, Russell Adams wrote: > > > In the spirit of Org, we need a folding unicorn! ;] > > http://www.pajarita.org/aep/pajaritas/pajarita3-4.pdf > > Best wishes, > > Christopher > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode <at> gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > I went looking for this one today and got a stale page, so I looked around a bit and found it at a slightly different URL: http://www.pajarita.biz/aep/pajaritas/pajarita3-4.pdf Nick ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: Re: unicorn 2011-04-07 20:38 ` unicorn Nick Dokos @ 2011-04-08 16:13 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2011-04-08 16:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Nick Dokos; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes: > I went looking for this one today and got a stale page, so I looked around > a bit and found it at a slightly different URL: > > http://www.pajarita.biz/aep/pajaritas/pajarita3-4.pdf I would love to see such a paper unicorn for real! Who knows, a clever combination A4-printed-Org-TODOs and Unicor-folding could actually be useful: you would start your day by doing the apparent tasks, then progressively unfold the paper unicorn... :) -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: unicorn 2009-02-27 11:21 ` unicorn Carsten Dominik 2009-02-27 18:33 ` unicorn Ross A. Laird 2009-02-27 18:47 ` unicorn Russell Adams @ 2009-02-27 19:56 ` J Aaron Farr 2 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: J Aaron Farr @ 2009-02-27 19:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: Bastien, Org-Mode-Mailingliste On Fri 27 Feb 2009 19:21, Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote: > On Feb 27, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Bastien wrote: > >> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: >> >>> I guess it is something like an official logo, yes (even though >>> some people don't like it, I have seen it being called >>> "demasculinating" >>> ...) >> >> Hehe... Since I picked up this "animal", I entirely assume any queer >> connotation it may have. The IT world is already "masculine" enough! >> >> -- >> Bastien > > > :-) > > I like it, and I really do like the list of reasons > we have (in hindsight) for choosing it... > > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-faq.php#unicorn Interesting. It always reminded me of the pink unicorn: http://www.invisiblepinkunicorn.com/ipu/home.html -- J Aaron Farr jadetower.com [US] +1 724-964-4515 馮傑仁 cubiclemuses.com [HK] +852 8123-7905 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: unicorn 2009-02-27 11:12 ` unicorn Bastien 2009-02-27 11:21 ` unicorn Carsten Dominik @ 2009-02-27 18:35 ` Jason F. McBrayer 1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Jason F. McBrayer @ 2009-02-27 18:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Org-Mode-Mailingliste Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes: > Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > >> I guess it is something like an official logo, yes (even though >> some people don't like it, I have seen it being called "demasculinating" >> ...) > > Hehe... Since I picked up this "animal", I entirely assume any queer > connotation it may have. The IT world is already "masculine" enough! Along similar lines, see the [Django Pony][1], and the [Pink Bliss][2] colour theme for Emacs. Footnotes: [1]: http://www.djangopony.com/ [2]: http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/PinkBliss -- +-----------------------------------------------------------+ | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net | | If someone conquers a thousand times a thousand others in | | battle, and someone else conquers himself, the latter one | | is the greatest of all conquerors. --- The Dhammapada | ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
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* Re: unicorn [not found] ` <874oyfh01a.fsf@gmx.ch> @ 2009-03-18 12:53 ` Carsten Dominik 0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-03-18 12:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sven Bretfeld; +Cc: Org Mode List On Feb 28, 2009, at 1:34 AM, Sven Bretfeld wrote: > Hello to all > > Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes: > >> I guess it is something like an official logo > > But we need an image file, svg would be best. Is there one available? There is now, in the git repo, I have made eps, pdf, and svg versions. If someone is a better expert than me for this kind of thing, feel free to make better ones, based on http://orgmode.org/img/nrocinu2.jpg Here are the ones I made: http://repo.or.cz/w/org-mode.git?a=tree;f=ORGWEBPAGE/img;h=b16fc08ad6de392481c64b5e2941eedf39dc93b3;hb=HEAD - Carsten > > Greetings, > > Sven > > -- > Sven Bretfeld > CERES -- CEntrum für REligionswissenschaftliche Studien > Ruhr-Universität Bochum > Universitätsstraße 150 > D-44780 Bochum ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
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