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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.07 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=earth2adam-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=W8OQabXf; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: CA734CACD X-Spam-Score: -2.07 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: WY4C53Z/H6GP --Apple-Mail=_2B6179FE-B0EF-4A9B-A086-B76A9D3BD9E8 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="aEf4cFcC4A3eED3c23ce0A282B8e08cde052_a3F3F1d_eEa3a5e8f5f6d1a_" --aEf4cFcC4A3eED3c23ce0A282B8e08cde052_a3F3F1d_eEa3a5e8f5f6d1a_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Bruce/John, Thanks for getting back to me. So I guess your notes file would look someth= ing like this? #+TITLE: Bradley, J. (1973): Essential Mathematics For Economists * Dynamic models: the consumption function [[cite:bradley1973es][p164]] * Changes in Capital Stock [[cite:bradley1973es][p188]] * The Accelerator-Multiplier Model [[cite:bradley1973es][p200]] So when when it comes time to author your paper, if you run org-store-link = on any of these, the description gets stripped off the link, so that only ci= te:bradley1973es is stored (which obviously defeats the purpose). And if you= copy the link over by hand, it maps back to the document bradley197es.org <= http://bradley197es.org/> (not the actual note). Am I missing anything? Adam > On 21 Feb 2021, at 12:21, Bruce D'Arcus wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 10:31 PM Adam Sneller = wrote: > >> I currently use org-ref and helm-bibtex to manage my database of academi= c sources, with one notes file per source. A lot of my sources are books. So= note typically grow over time, as I add multiple headers (each pertaining t= o a chapter or topic/note taken from that source). >> >> But now I want to produce a citation that references the page numbers wh= ere I captured that note... >> >> What is the recommended way to handle this? Are you breaking notes into = individual files, each with their own @inbook citation? > > Generally speaking, referencing page numbers and sections of a cited > source is not handled by dedicated citations, but rather by > annotations on the containing citation (book etc.). > > So in the pandoc syntax, for example, [@book, p23]. > > I do the same with notes, and just included the specific citation with > the note if I need to maintain the specific source page. > > Bruce > --aEf4cFcC4A3eED3c23ce0A282B8e08cde052_a3F3F1d_eEa3a5e8f5f6d1a_ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi Bruce/John,

Thanks for getting back to me. So I guess your notes file would look= something like this?


#+TITLE: Bradley,= J. (1973): Essential Mathematics For Economists

* Dynamic models: the consumption function
[[cite:bradley1973es][p164]]

* Changes in Capital Stock
[[cite:bradley1973es][p188]]

* The Accelerator-Multiplier Model
[[cite:= bradley1973es][p200]]


So when when it comes time to= author your paper, if you run org-store-link on any of these, the descripti= on gets stripped off the link, so that only cite:bradley1973es is stored (wh= ich obviously defeats the purpose). And if you copy the link over by hand, i= t maps back to the document b= radley197es.org (not the actual note).

Am I missing anything?

Adam
<= div>
On 2= 1 Feb 2021, at 12:21, Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Feb 20, 2021 at 10:31 = PM Adam Sneller <a= dam.sneller@ms2.digital> wrote:

I currently use org-ref and helm-bibtex to mana= ge my database of academic sources, with one notes file per source. A lot of= my sources are books. So note typically grow over time, as I add multiple h= eaders (each pertaining to a chapter or topic/note taken from that source).<= br class=3D"">
But now I want to produce a citation that refer= ences the page numbers where I captured that note...

What is the recommended way to handle this? Are you breaking notes int= o individual files, each with their own @inbook citation?

Generally speaking, referencing page numbers and sec= tions of a cited
source is not handled by dedicated citations,= but rather by
annotations on the containing citation (book et= c.).

So in the pandoc syntax, for example, [@bo= ok, p23].

I do the same with notes, and just in= cluded the specific citation with
the note if I need to mainta= in the specific source page.

Bruce


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