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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1674881180; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=OXCdlj7vbFQWdVPvmOX1gpKoKo74N4HOvUlLA/ygrgU=; b=Tf9VhxTabAZyYG4QYIz2xufGrKjdX8iRqaVK1M3XZtEWxCVsrSxcJwoqyhJobJCtOqPWEZ XE3WBMUa7I6GWSsA1fRfcs359rxKzYUDsXIHlVfquZh+jkGGyvVJJ/mNYSzQaKPMo2vsy/ pmOIFltPSQCsYURo/GA7btck2AligRkNadinoz2bG4+j4ULgo66VpHNNRUtoTB28CU0puK N0hiJ6j56ZtH/i0vVie1e3KnYPDZNkisbjfhSztxwRUtI+TzGUU2TzuITOuda1vo6WZtL1 XjpUq4FVFEZ/l3geTAK1CPmzy1YTSKrH1jTEvT6tUvIx/xBF3cJGvWp7GsboRg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=TBffZmLT; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1674881180; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=RJ07tAZsPkhh4KjrOYD5GjHUfC/lYDNPf/XQfvE/hkQOsrZwcCFb4wbpd62DyHEo5TrHFN CUKcETu08Obrn42fA1oGpg+OOnM8pPiwfUUXbmv1limR/uB92IZc6uQPyJ4L8cJZcJxqsP aPEr08XIX+OJf7ec5k7khCGbS8PoqPEjNOBsEuLO6OF6QUJH4SQnBn3qaaQPgH6OW4kHgy lBxK8TFTUqSNJqKcBXW/HWwiRR3WUc0GVP3tQO9NAcwG8vHjGCz/+TMGW/ChupZopRGDO1 yxdodLPdiAJcEnnbvSmYnb7gZ5Tw7eqAFlsT3Fw7TpJnUBUm2cIoPIiJupaNEA== X-Spam-Score: -4.04 X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.04 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gnu.org header.s=fencepost-gnu-org header.b=TBffZmLT; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 486992C8E1 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: 0+kJf88Qf+4O [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Would it then make sense to note the reasons why we support one or > another non-free software in a separate file like etc/NON-FREE-SUPPORT? I think it is a good idea to document the reasoning for these decision. But I think it does not necessarily have to be centralized in one file for all of Emacs. Another alternative, also natural, would be to describe these decisions with the code that implements the support. > Also, what about Emacs supporting MS DOS and old versions of Windows? Do > they still qualify as popular software? There is no need to include version numbers when we judge whether a program is well known. People are far more likely to think about a program name than about its various version numbers. If a program was once well known, but its use is dwindling, it's not something we have to worry about informing people about. More people will have heard of it in the past, than will want to switch to it now. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)