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Would someone please tell me more concretely what kind of "support" this is? Which GNU package supports them, and how? Also, what kind of things are those? Are they nonfree programs, or are they SaaSS? Some of them I recognize as nonfree programs, but some names I don't recognize at all. There are situations where it is acceptable for a GNU package to support its use together with certain nonfree programs. Mainly when the nonfree program so well known that this support mainly encourage people who already use that nonfree program to start using the GNU package with it, and is unlikely to do the converse. See the GNU Maintainers Guide for more details. However, use with a SaaSS system (service as a software substitute) is a different issue (though it has much in common). I'd like to think about it and ask advisors for advice. These details can help me start to think about it. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)