From: "onf" <onf@disroot.org>
To: "Ihor Radchenko" <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com>,
<emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>, <groff@gnu.org>,
"Ingo Schwarze" <schwarze@usta.de>
Subject: Re: [BUG] "\fC" macro in ox-man.el [9.6.15 (release_9.6.15 @ /usr/share/emacs/29.2/lisp/org/)]
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2025 13:30:05 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <D6QQKDIPMTUF.1QUU2S9V18AAK@disroot.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o70qg9gi.fsf@localhost>
On Wed Jan 1, 2025 at 10:38 AM CET, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
> >> Also, what if we leave \fC and add \f[CR]/.EX on top?
> >> AFAIU, the worst case scenario for \fC is that it does nothing. By
> >> leaving it there, we thus retain old working exports working while also
> >> adding appropriate format when \f[CR] is supported.
> >
> > The \f escape sets current font. \fP restores previous font.
> > What this means is that doing \fC\f[CR]Lorem\fP:
> > (1) sets the text Lorem in Courier if font name C or CR exists
> > (2) restores previous font if neither font C nor CR exists
> > (3) sets font to Courier if both font name C and CR exist
>
> What about \fC\f[CR]Lorem\fP\fP?
(1) if both C and CR exist, sets Lorem in Courier
(2) if only C or CR exists, sets font to Courier
(3) if neither exists, does nothing
To understand #2, let's assume that C is defined and CR is not. Then:
\fC -> set font to C
\f[CR] -> ignored
\fP -> restore previous font, set previous font to C
\fP -> restore previous font (back to C)
It's important to understand that troff commands don't really use
nesting or a stack as one might be used to from HTML and similar
markup languages. That's why it's also not possible to e.g. nest
bold and italic like this:
Normal \fBbold \fIbold-italic\fP bold\fP normal
...which actually gives you:
Normal bold italic bold italic
One has to do one of these instead:
Normal \fBbold \f[BI]bold-italic\fP bold\fR normal
Normal \fBbold \f[BI]bold-italic\fB bold\fR normal
Normal \fBbold\fP \f[BI]bold-italic\fP \fBbold\fP normal
> >> Do I understand correctly that blank line is sometimes interpreted as
> >> vertical spacing and sometimes ignored?
> >
> > A blank input line is equivalent to .sp unless the .blm request was called
> > to change this behavior. .blm is groff's invention (see groff_diff(7)).
>
> Then maybe we can put .sp explicitly instead of a blank line.
> In our code, we add blank after blocks (or displays) of code. Extra
> vertical space after seems to be reasonable.
They are equivalent as far as troff formatters are concerned. The question
is whether they are equivalent to the various other programs that attempt
to interpret man source code directly. So I guess this depends on whether
you're targetting only troff (+ BSD mandoc) or not. Branden will likely
tell you more about this topic.
~ onf
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-01-01 12:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-03-01 7:51 [BUG] "\fC" macro in ox-man.el [9.6.15 (release_9.6.15 @ /usr/share/emacs/29.2/lisp/org/)] Xiyue Deng
2024-03-03 13:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-03-12 0:06 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-03-13 11:25 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-03-14 21:46 ` Jeremy Sowden
2024-05-22 9:54 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-18 17:20 ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-12-22 15:41 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-31 17:00 ` G. Branden Robinson
2024-12-31 18:15 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-31 18:42 ` onf
2024-12-31 18:54 ` onf
2025-01-01 9:38 ` Ihor Radchenko
2025-01-01 12:30 ` onf [this message]
2025-01-02 14:29 ` onf
2025-01-02 17:47 ` [BUG] ox-man: Nested markup is broken (was: [BUG] "\fC" macro in ox-man.el [9.6.15 (release_9.6.15 @ /usr/share/emacs/29.2/lisp/org/)]) Ihor Radchenko
2025-01-02 21:51 ` onf
2025-01-03 8:38 ` [BUG] "\fC" macro in ox-man.el [9.6.15 (release_9.6.15 @ /usr/share/emacs/29.2/lisp/org/)] G. Branden Robinson
2025-01-04 0:23 ` onf
2025-01-04 6:37 ` G. Branden Robinson
2025-01-04 20:10 ` onf
2025-01-05 15:24 ` Lennart Jablonka
2025-01-04 13:26 ` Ihor Radchenko
2025-01-04 16:22 ` Dave Kemper
2025-01-04 17:37 ` Ihor Radchenko
2025-01-02 12:14 ` G. Branden Robinson
2025-01-04 12:21 ` Ihor Radchenko
2025-01-02 12:38 ` G. Branden Robinson
2025-01-02 14:21 ` onf
2025-01-04 12:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
List information: https://www.orgmode.org/
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=D6QQKDIPMTUF.1QUU2S9V18AAK@disroot.org \
--to=onf@disroot.org \
--cc=emacs-orgmode@gnu.org \
--cc=g.branden.robinson@gmail.com \
--cc=groff@gnu.org \
--cc=schwarze@usta.de \
--cc=yantar92@posteo.net \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this public inbox
https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).