From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: M Subject: Re: Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 15:40:31 +0200 Message-ID: References: <2014-06-28T15-03-46@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46693) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X0srz-0002SS-DS for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:40:47 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X0srs-0001fb-MO for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:40:43 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.11]:52196) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X0srs-0001dO-BI for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Jun 2014 09:40:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: <2014-06-28T15-03-46@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Karl Voit , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi Karl, good points. I did not want to say, that org-mode has no USPS. I just wanted to emphasize, that in the original definition of a "real" USP (at least from my understanding) there should be not other product which has this feature. As there is a very large and constantly growing number of tools on the market, it might be very difficult to know them all - so your community-based approch is absolutely preferable. concerning dependencies: I'm not sure, but I think that OmniFocucs also has them, but I'm not sure. What about tracking those USP/KSP in a shared document in WORG? I tried to set up one, but as a newbie, I'm not sure how to link it to the others. http://orgmode.org/w/worg.git?p=worg.git;a=blob;f=why-use-orgmode.org;h=5863 d41a6a6f8c3c2b6658748e1d74cc2506207f;hb=7c92042868e3d5353498abbf22fb48fed293 35cb Kind regards Martin > Von: Karl Voit > Organisation: www.karl-voit.at > Antworten an: Karl Voit > Datum: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 15:13:05 +0200 > An: > Betreff: Re: [O] Collecting unique selling proposition (USP) of Org-mode > > Hi Martin! > > * M wrote: >> >>> Von: Karl Voit >>> >>> * seamlessly integrating notes, spreadsheet calculations, tasks, and >>> more at one single place >>> >>> * being able to pipe results of program written in language A to >>> another script in language B (babel) >>> >>> * quick and simple defining dependencies between tasks such as >>> "doing groceries" is required for "cooking fancy dinner" >>> (org-depend) >>> > >> that's a very good idea. However, really _unique_ selling points might be >> difficult to find. > > I am more positive here :-) > >> For your first one I'm not sure, but dependencies are >> available in other tools to, so it's not a true USP. > > The seamless integration might be also true for MS OneNote, you're > probably right. However, there might be major things to add to the > list which OneNote is not able to handle in that combination. > > Dependencies are not available except for full-blown > project-management software which do have their overhead. At least I > could not find anything satisfying yet. Please do tell me, which > task/todo-management system is able to do this in a reasonable way. > >> You have to know all "competitors" and their features to be sure it is a >> true (unique!) USP. This is nearly impossible. > > I think I know most tools out there, tried many, many, many of them > by myself over the previous decades. However, I can not know > everything - I know. As a result, I am trying this > collective/combined approach with this thread and (probably later > on) a Worg page. > > I am confident that Org-mode has a number of USPs. > >> Some more key selling points form someone who still tries to learn emacs >> just for using org-mode: > > A absolutely agree on your list. On the one side, I tend to think > that we've got those lists already in various > feature-highlight-lists. On the other side, I am not aware of a list > of Org-mode USPs that *no* other tool provides. > > -- > mail|git|SVN|photos|postings|SMS|phonecalls|RSS|CSV|XML to Org-mode: >> get Memacs from https://github.com/novoid/Memacs < > > https://github.com/novoid/extract_pdf_annotations_to_orgmode + more on github > >