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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619184950; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=QQl8zTHbgpm8tKcguescevzyU6I9aUk3UXwOAbDcOBU=; b=ZejhI2YxsgPnuidb+HOhFAoZy4QQD5zNk84HVllvToX3Xew8bb4p6WWHw1WriX7J+22d/h eJr6czdZtn7SELswExagd1hoqTBCThX9Vrwds96Byy0p1gKnKYPQXwMCyTihilCySUWd+8 DykF8ovRmSzI7PgmR17nXW2raMtAiipD54dlYqAZle0qxoFFIJmsTi7ld1xoQ3gYkcszdX gmJKpBg65kbA85wvPk8KmYPRx/sD/PXuIKEIoJCxYaJoEUooFhftScCR15h9bYaJSwKTZv hTbzroilD4RmDn77uN47N+lH9buOB56W7nL5sfg02NvJyGER+Q9zBixnY0GXUQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619184950; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=aygjrBbQU3+ATCCpHSX/+YCOXh7wwR/R3CbPik5lg9mVQdsWhUzaiFDMZ1Loo3ev0owYY+ 9JKEGmC7hzCQNpup42KuyCfjP/hMq0ZQavAMto7qu9d3m2OTI7f+XXNh4z4Pqe8jo/5Hpt EYOoiK9uC0FloZLAByrw0p/19uDNx/yPsqt45kJQA5+xv430sGDVEJZ6NdygINqIJ9TT2p MOnXjjCM+z7m5pc2YXi3wZZGRVZoVJCNQ03VwDElilk+lxVEhDr0545B6NsLm7zu8g292E WHYuhZDFF2X36S9nyCdPggMRXC+bbrFMoPh/Q1rtEXN9G6hA+wKkLfphfL0GBw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=qTIFIW8u; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.64 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=qTIFIW8u; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B9D18B933 X-Spam-Score: -1.64 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 10i5EIBr+JVw Dear All, On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 14:03, Nicolas Goaziou wrot= e: >> well, I think there might be some legitimate use cases, e.g., >> (see Smith 1997, p. 2, see also p. 33, pp. 45-47, but /cf./ p. 103) > This use-case is not convincing, because it ought to be the task of the > citation processor to italicize "cf." (perhaps through an option), for > consistency across citations. This could and maybe should be the case, but I think the currently available citation processors do not add markup to the suffixes and prefixes. > A drawback with allowing emphasis there is that prefix and suffix become > parsed data and not plain string anymore. As a consequence, searching > through them, e.g., when looking for locator names, requires an > additional level of indirection, since you need to first transform > parsed data back into plain text. > Of course, this is not a deal breaker, just something to know in order > to eventually make an informed choice. I agree that it'd add a considerable amount of complexity, so this must depend on how important this feature would be. If there are no objections (I certainly won't object) then simply disallowing markup in citations, at least in this iteration, seems absolutely acceptable to me. thanks & best regards, Andr=C3=A1s > > Regards, > -- > Nicolas Goaziou