From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Andrew Young Subject: Google Summer of Code 2012 Student Application Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 00:25:34 -0400 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044481475a7e7104bce6ee53 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53297) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFeGR-0001oX-2m for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 00:25:40 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFeGP-00015j-3J for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 00:25:38 -0400 Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]:43443) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFeGO-00015L-Qh for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 00:25:37 -0400 Received: by wgbdr1 with SMTP id dr1so679310wgb.30 for ; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 21:25:34 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --f46d044481475a7e7104bce6ee53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello Org-Mode mailing list, My name is Andrew Young, and I would like to participate in an Org-Mode project for GSoC 2012. My application for the project 'Git merge tool for Org files' can be found here. I would appreciate as much feedback and criticism as possible. I used the generic GNU Project student application template, which can be found here . I have some specific questions: 1. There is no implementation details or decisions in my application, just a basic plan of what needs to be done. Should I start researching implementation details for my application? 2. I would like to post my application on the community site Worg. If this is appropriate, what is the proper channel to request GIT access? If this mailing list is not the appropriate place to discuss my application, please let me know and then feel free to email me directly. I will also be spending as much time as possible on freenode #org-mode as Pwyl. Regards, Andrew Young youngar17@gmail.com --f46d044481475a7e7104bce6ee53 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Org-Mode mailing list,

My nam= e is Andrew Young, and I would like to participate in an Org-Mode project f= or GSoC 2012. =A0My application for the project 'Git merge tool for Org= files' can be found=A0here. =A0I would appreciate as m= uch feedback and=A0criticism=A0as possible.

I used the generic=A0GNU Project student application te= mplate, which can be found=A0here.

I have some spe= cific questions:
1. =A0There is no implementation details or decisions in my applicatio= n, just a basic plan of what needs to be done. =A0Should I start researchin= g implementation details for my application?
2. =A0I would like t= o post my application on the community site Worg. =A0If this is appropriate= , what is the=A0proper=A0channel to request GIT access?

If this mailing list is not the appropriate place to di= scuss my application, please let me know and then feel free to email me dir= ectly. =A0I will also be spending as much time as possible on freenode #org= -mode as Pwyl.

Regards,
Andrew Young
--f46d044481475a7e7104bce6ee53-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 Student Application Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 08:48:16 +0200 Message-ID: <87398i65e7.fsf@gnu.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:45382) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFgTL-0002Cn-Pu for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 02:47:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFgTJ-0005fV-PX for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 02:47:07 -0400 Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com ([74.125.82.169]:65392) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFgTJ-0005bj-Ft for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 02:47:05 -0400 Received: by werj55 with SMTP id j55so814327wer.0 for ; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 23:47:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Andrew Young's message of "Thu, 5 Apr 2012 00:25:34 -0400") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Andrew Young Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Carsten Dominik Hi Andrew, Andrew Young writes: > My name is Andrew Young, and I would like to participate in an Org-Mode > project for GSoC 2012. My application for the project 'Git merge tool for > Org files' can be found > here. Great! > I would appreciate as much feedback and criticism as possible. First of all, make sure someone can co-mentor this project. I'm willing to mentor this (as the current maintainer it makes sense, especially for people judging the project from the outside), but having Carsten as a co-mentor would be a great win. Make sure Carsten (cc'ed) is okay. Carsten, being a co-mentor involves mainly three things: 1. registering on google-melange.com 2. from there, requesting to be a mentor for the GNU project 3. during the project, help the student and have IRC/phone meetings, at least when I'm not here (I expect to be off for 2-3 weeks this summer, I will tell when ASAP) > I used the generic GNU Project student application template, which can be > found here . 1. First things thing: you should rewrite the "summary" section to remove the "I believe" and other informal writing from Carsten's prose. Make it yours, make it a real summary. 2. Refer to org-element.el when you mention the Data representation. org-element.el will be key in representing data and diffs between data (at any level.) 3. Add a documentation section, explaining what doc you will write and how you you will write/host it (worg is fine.) > I have some specific questions: > 1. There is no implementation details or decisions in my application, just > a basic plan of what needs to be done. Should I start researching > implementation details for my application? You can look at org-element.el for the data representation. > 2. I would like to post my application on the community site Worg. If > this is appropriate, what is the proper channel to request GIT access? Send me your public key. > If this mailing list is not the appropriate place to discuss my > application, please let me know and then feel free to email me directly. I > will also be spending as much time as possible on freenode #org-mode as > Pwyl. This mailing list *is* the appropriate place, no worry. Thanks again for your proposal, this would be a great plus for Org! Best, -- Bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Torsten Wagner Subject: Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 Student Application Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:46:22 +0900 Message-ID: References: <87398i65e7.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36497) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFhPM-00078C-AZ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 03:47:08 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFhPE-0001s2-K6 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 03:47:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87398i65e7.fsf@gnu.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Andrew Young Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Carsten Dominik Hi Andrew, Reading this proposal and having a bit background in writing proposals, I have the following suggestion: * I'm not sure everyone (at least the one who review this) know what org-mode is. There should be a very small summary about org-mode and the key-benefit being plain text (which is why you can start this project after all). * In the way the proposal is written, you address org-mode users which uses git (later you mention other CVS too). This actually makes, or at least sound like, the proposal being only useful for a (small) intersection of users namely org-mode AND (in the sense of an logic AND) git-user. I would find it more useful to describe this work as being an extension for org-mode users; ** They can start to collaborate on a org-mode files, including collaboration with users of possible other software tools (e.g. mobileorg apps). ** Org-mode user can use a CVS system which is not only of interest for collaboration but for keeping a chronological order of changes in e.g. a project file. ** It makes org-mode a possible tool for software developers which can now use org-files e.g. for documentation and notes beside there source code in the same git repository. All this points would show that the proposal is going to extend org-mode instead of being "limited" useful for only a very particular user-base. Finally, I guess it would be good to mention that this project (and org-mode in general) is not limited to a OS but attracts users of MS Windows, Mac OS and Linux. Simply to demonstrate that the user-base can be expected to be rather large. (Not sure if the GNU people like this ;) ) Torsten On 5 April 2012 15:48, Bastien wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > Andrew Young writes: > >> My name is Andrew Young, and I would like to participate in an Org-Mode >> project for GSoC 2012. =A0My application for the project 'Git merge tool= for >> Org files' can be found >> here. > > Great! > >> =A0I would appreciate as much feedback and criticism as possible. > > First of all, make sure someone can co-mentor this project. =A0I'm willin= g > to mentor this (as the current maintainer it makes sense, especially for > people judging the project from the outside), but having Carsten as a > co-mentor would be a great win. =A0Make sure Carsten (cc'ed) is okay. > > Carsten, being a co-mentor involves mainly three things: > > 1. registering on google-melange.com > > 2. from there, requesting to be a mentor for the GNU project > > 3. during the project, help the student and have IRC/phone meetings, > =A0 at least when I'm not here (I expect to be off for 2-3 weeks this > =A0 summer, I will tell when ASAP) > >> I used the generic GNU Project student application template, which can b= e >> found here . > > 1. First things thing: you should rewrite the "summary" section to > =A0 remove the "I believe" and other informal writing from Carsten's > =A0 prose. =A0Make it yours, make it a real summary. > > 2. Refer to org-element.el when you mention the Data representation. > =A0 org-element.el will be key in representing data and diffs between > =A0 data (at any level.) > > 3. Add a documentation section, explaining what doc you will write and > =A0 how you you will write/host it (worg is fine.) > >> I have some specific questions: >> 1. =A0There is no implementation details or decisions in my application,= just >> a basic plan of what needs to be done. =A0Should I start researching >> implementation details for my application? > > You can look at org-element.el for the data representation. > >> 2. =A0I would like to post my application on the community site Worg. = =A0If >> this is appropriate, what is the proper channel to request GIT access? > > Send me your public key. > >> If this mailing list is not the appropriate place to discuss my >> application, please let me know and then feel free to email me directly.= =A0I >> will also be spending as much time as possible on freenode #org-mode as >> Pwyl. > > This mailing list *is* the appropriate place, no worry. > > Thanks again for your proposal, this would be a great plus for Org! > > Best, > > -- > =A0Bastien > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Torsten Wagner Subject: Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 Student Application Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 16:46:51 +0900 Message-ID: References: <87398i65e7.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36490) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFhPL-00077v-6j for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 03:47:07 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFhPD-0001rs-O8 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 03:47:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87398i65e7.fsf@gnu.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Andrew Young Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Carsten Dominik Hi Andrew, Reading this proposal and having a bit background in writing proposals, I have the following suggestion: * I'm not sure everyone (at least the one who review this) know what org-mode is. There should be a very small summary about org-mode and the key-benefit being plain text (which is why you can start this project after all). * In the way the proposal is written, you address org-mode users which uses git (later you mention other CVS too). This actually makes, or at least sound like, the proposal being only useful for a (small) intersection of users namely org-mode AND (in the sense of an logic AND) git-user. I would find it more useful to describe this work as being an extension for org-mode users; ** They can start to collaborate on a org-mode files, including collaboration with users of possible other software tools (e.g. mobileorg apps). ** Org-mode user can use a CVS system which is not only of interest for collaboration but for keeping a chronological order of changes in e.g. a project file. ** It makes org-mode a possible tool for software developers which can now use org-files e.g. for documentation and notes beside there source code in the same git repository. All this points would show that the proposal is going to extend org-mode instead of being "limited" useful for only a very particular user-base. Finally, I guess it would be good to mention that this project (and org-mode in general) is not limited to a OS but attracts users of MS Windows, Mac OS and Linux. Simply to demonstrate that the user-base can be expected to be rather large. (Not sure if the GNU people like this ;) ) Torsten On 5 April 2012 15:48, Bastien wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > Andrew Young writes: > >> My name is Andrew Young, and I would like to participate in an Org-Mode >> project for GSoC 2012. =A0My application for the project 'Git merge tool= for >> Org files' can be found >> here. > > Great! > >> =A0I would appreciate as much feedback and criticism as possible. > > First of all, make sure someone can co-mentor this project. =A0I'm willin= g > to mentor this (as the current maintainer it makes sense, especially for > people judging the project from the outside), but having Carsten as a > co-mentor would be a great win. =A0Make sure Carsten (cc'ed) is okay. > > Carsten, being a co-mentor involves mainly three things: > > 1. registering on google-melange.com > > 2. from there, requesting to be a mentor for the GNU project > > 3. during the project, help the student and have IRC/phone meetings, > =A0 at least when I'm not here (I expect to be off for 2-3 weeks this > =A0 summer, I will tell when ASAP) > >> I used the generic GNU Project student application template, which can b= e >> found here . > > 1. First things thing: you should rewrite the "summary" section to > =A0 remove the "I believe" and other informal writing from Carsten's > =A0 prose. =A0Make it yours, make it a real summary. > > 2. Refer to org-element.el when you mention the Data representation. > =A0 org-element.el will be key in representing data and diffs between > =A0 data (at any level.) > > 3. Add a documentation section, explaining what doc you will write and > =A0 how you you will write/host it (worg is fine.) > >> I have some specific questions: >> 1. =A0There is no implementation details or decisions in my application,= just >> a basic plan of what needs to be done. =A0Should I start researching >> implementation details for my application? > > You can look at org-element.el for the data representation. > >> 2. =A0I would like to post my application on the community site Worg. = =A0If >> this is appropriate, what is the proper channel to request GIT access? > > Send me your public key. > >> If this mailing list is not the appropriate place to discuss my >> application, please let me know and then feel free to email me directly.= =A0I >> will also be spending as much time as possible on freenode #org-mode as >> Pwyl. > > This mailing list *is* the appropriate place, no worry. > > Thanks again for your proposal, this would be a great plus for Org! > > Best, > > -- > =A0Bastien > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Andrew Young Subject: Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 Student Application Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:49:19 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87398i65e7.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=f46d0442811e6141ad04bced2162 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:34660) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFlBv-000165-T4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 07:49:29 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFlBs-0002x2-3m for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 07:49:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87398i65e7.fsf@gnu.org> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bastien Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --f46d0442811e6141ad04bced2162 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Bastien, On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:48 AM, Bastien wrote: > Hi Andrew, > > Andrew Young writes: > >> My name is Andrew Young, and I would like to participate in an Org-Mode >> project for GSoC 2012. =A0My application for the project 'Git merge tool= for >> Org files' can be found >> here. > > Great! > >> =A0I would appreciate as much feedback and criticism as possible. > > First of all, make sure someone can co-mentor this project. =A0I'm willin= g > to mentor this (as the current maintainer it makes sense, especially for > people judging the project from the outside), but having Carsten as a > co-mentor would be a great win. =A0Make sure Carsten (cc'ed) is okay. I will send him a personal (private) request. > > Carsten, being a co-mentor involves mainly three things: > > 1. registering on google-melange.com > > 2. from there, requesting to be a mentor for the GNU project > > 3. during the project, help the student and have IRC/phone meetings, > =A0 at least when I'm not here (I expect to be off for 2-3 weeks this > =A0 summer, I will tell when ASAP) > >> I used the generic GNU Project student application template, which can b= e >> found here . > > 1. First things thing: you should rewrite the "summary" section to > =A0 remove the "I believe" and other informal writing from Carsten's > =A0 prose. =A0Make it yours, make it a real summary. I found the GNU Application template confusing, and was not sure if the summary was supposed to be written by me, or copied from the ideas page (to clarify what project idea I was referring to). I followed your advice and wrote my own project summary, since that seems like the better idea. > > 2. Refer to org-element.el when you mention the Data representation. > =A0 org-element.el will be key in representing data and diffs between > =A0 data (at any level.) > > 3. Add a documentation section, explaining what doc you will write and > =A0 how you you will write/host it (worg is fine.) > Thanks for the pointers. I've incorporated your advice into the proposal. >> I have some specific questions: >> 1. =A0There is no implementation details or decisions in my application,= just >> a basic plan of what needs to be done. =A0Should I start researching >> implementation details for my application? > > You can look at org-element.el for the data representation. > >> 2. =A0I would like to post my application on the community site Worg. = =A0If >> this is appropriate, what is the proper channel to request GIT access? > > Send me your public key. > >> If this mailing list is not the appropriate place to discuss my >> application, please let me know and then feel free to email me directly.= =A0I >> will also be spending as much time as possible on freenode #org-mode as >> Pwyl. > > This mailing list *is* the appropriate place, no worry. > > Thanks again for your proposal, this would be a great plus for Org! > > Best, > > -- > =A0Bastien Thanks again for your suggestions and pointers. My public key is attached. Regards, Andrew --f46d0442811e6141ad04bced2162 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="youngar17@gmail.com.pub" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="youngar17@gmail.com.pub" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Attachment-Id: f_h0nqecj90 c3NoLXJzYSBBQUFBQjNOemFDMXljMkVBQUFBREFRQUJBQUFCQVFEakVsam93djB6eVFHTlRnNjBX eXE2eEY4UE9kVW90Z3ozcG9ueHNZc1Axc1Q4ZmZkaCtxOUlsT3V1ZldJeDZKK05Xa1VQd3RheEE5 amhJTi9aUWpVdzEzek5nZE4vaFYvZjhSVGUyaTBlbWZJeEN2UVNEYVY3ejNDcHd6UExhOEpiNUxU RGtjOGg2TU5ZclpsTSszTEwvWVpaN05jREZKTEI5OURBRnI1WVpocjkxYWxYOXUzcytiZFlPZTZO dm8yQy9MM0dtazNZTWc1VVFKemV6T2pjYnN2ZERMWGtTVUhoUFlTc0h0WFNDMGEydlkyZGZNTFpz TllSRzIyYTFRWEJMbW9qU2h5bWFXWmxNTHEwYjBtZHBzYTBsOU5mUzBjV3R3SnZpbGUwZDRRRUt1 YThtUDRJVFYvZVhmWWlzc05odzRkRW1HWUVGcVJEZXFoSS9sQTMgeW91bmdhcjE3QGdtYWlsLmNv bQo= --f46d0442811e6141ad04bced2162-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 Student Application Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 14:59:20 +0200 Message-ID: <87ehs2e3mf.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87398i65e7.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:33616) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFmGg-0001OP-5o for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 08:58:32 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFmGX-000524-70 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 08:58:23 -0400 Received: from incoming2.cnam.fr ([163.173.128.34]:27079) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFmGX-00051I-0S for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 08:58:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Andrew Young's message of "Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:49:19 -0400") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Andrew Young Cc: Jason Dunsmore , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi Andrew, Andrew Young writes: > I will send him a personal (private) request. Ok. > I found the GNU Application template confusing, and was not sure if > the summary was supposed to be written by me, or copied from the ideas > page (to clarify what project idea I was referring to). I followed > your advice and wrote my own project summary, since that seems like > the better idea. Yes it is! > Thanks again for your suggestions and pointers. You're welcome. > My public key is attached. You can now push changes to Worg. Thanks, -- Bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Thorsten Subject: Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 Student Application Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:36:10 +0200 Message-ID: <87limanvw5.fsf@googlemail.com> References: <87398i65e7.fsf@gnu.org> <87ehs2e3mf.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49018) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFmqA-0006Kr-Ja for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 09:35:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFmpz-0007HP-NA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 09:35:05 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:51815) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFmpz-0007H8-Fs for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 09:34:55 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SFmpc-0000XE-Cg for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:34:32 +0200 Received: from e178189005.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.189.5]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:34:32 +0200 Received: from quintfall by e178189005.adsl.alicedsl.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:34:32 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Bastien writes: Hi Bastien, hi Andrew, > You can now push changes to Worg. I just added a directory 'student-projects' under the gsoc2012 directory on worg, accessible through: http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/gsoc2012/index.html (see links at end of page) which might be used by Andrew, me and others. Andrew: I'm preparing my application for the Orgmode/Picolisp project, which turned into a bugtracker for Org-mode project, right now. If you want, we can communicate (here or privately). Bastien: thanks for your suggestions (private mail), gave me quite a lot of thinks to chew - I'm busy with that right now. What I really would need to decide upon at the very beginning is the git workflow - not too complicated, but somehow scalable for the future is the project succeeds. Any suggestion besides having a master and a private branch? Should I already consider a workflow similar to the one used by you for Org-mode? -- cheers, Thorsten From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 Student Application Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 16:07:30 +0200 Message-ID: <87sjgiclwd.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87398i65e7.fsf@gnu.org> <87ehs2e3mf.fsf@gnu.org> <87limanvw5.fsf@googlemail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35430) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFnKX-0000lz-T5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 10:06:34 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFnKP-0006pN-5z for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 10:06:28 -0400 Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]:39037) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFnKO-0006oq-Sr for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 10:06:21 -0400 Received: by wgbdr1 with SMTP id dr1so999453wgb.30 for ; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 07:06:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87limanvw5.fsf@googlemail.com> (Thorsten's message of "Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:36:10 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Thorsten Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Thorsten writes: > Bastien: thanks for your suggestions (private mail), gave me quite a lot > of thinks to chew - I'm busy with that right now. Good -- REMINDER for all three future-GSoC students out there: the deadline is in 28 hours. Good luck! -- Bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Carsten Dominik Subject: Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 Student Application Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 08:23:38 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87398i65e7.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36501) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SG2bV-0004dL-ET for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 02:25:03 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SG2bT-0005Jy-Gd for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 02:25:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Andrew Young Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On 5.4.2012, at 13:49, Andrew Young wrote: > Hello Bastien, >=20 > On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 2:48 AM, Bastien wrote: >> Hi Andrew, >>=20 >> Andrew Young writes: >>=20 >>> My name is Andrew Young, and I would like to participate in an = Org-Mode >>> project for GSoC 2012. My application for the project 'Git merge = tool for >>> Org files' can be found >>> = here. >>=20 >> Great! >>=20 >>> I would appreciate as much feedback and criticism as possible. >>=20 >> First of all, make sure someone can co-mentor this project. I'm = willing >> to mentor this (as the current maintainer it makes sense, especially = for >> people judging the project from the outside), but having Carsten as a >> co-mentor would be a great win. Make sure Carsten (cc'ed) is okay. >=20 > I will send him a personal (private) request. >=20 >>=20 >> Carsten, being a co-mentor involves mainly three things: >>=20 >> 1. registering on google-melange.com I have registered as a mentor, username cdominik. I have not yet found = how to do: >>=20 >> 2. from there, requesting to be a mentor for the GNU project >>=20 >> 3. during the project, help the student and have IRC/phone meetings, >> at least when I'm not here (I expect to be off for 2-3 weeks this >> summer, I will tell when ASAP) Yes. I am a phone/skype guy, not an irc guy. - Carsten >>=20 >>> I used the generic GNU Project student application template, which = can be >>> found here = . >>=20 >> 1. First things thing: you should rewrite the "summary" section to >> remove the "I believe" and other informal writing from Carsten's >> prose. Make it yours, make it a real summary. >=20 > I found the GNU Application template confusing, and was not sure if > the summary was supposed to be written by me, or copied from the ideas > page (to clarify what project idea I was referring to). I followed > your advice and wrote my own project summary, since that seems like > the better idea. >=20 >>=20 >> 2. Refer to org-element.el when you mention the Data representation. >> org-element.el will be key in representing data and diffs between >> data (at any level.) >>=20 >> 3. Add a documentation section, explaining what doc you will write = and >> how you you will write/host it (worg is fine.) >>=20 >=20 > Thanks for the pointers. I've incorporated your advice into the = proposal. >=20 >>> I have some specific questions: >>> 1. There is no implementation details or decisions in my = application, just >>> a basic plan of what needs to be done. Should I start researching >>> implementation details for my application? >>=20 >> You can look at org-element.el for the data representation. >>=20 >>> 2. I would like to post my application on the community site Worg. = If >>> this is appropriate, what is the proper channel to request GIT = access? >>=20 >> Send me your public key. >>=20 >>> If this mailing list is not the appropriate place to discuss my >>> application, please let me know and then feel free to email me = directly. I >>> will also be spending as much time as possible on freenode #org-mode = as >>> Pwyl. >>=20 >> This mailing list *is* the appropriate place, no worry. >>=20 >> Thanks again for your proposal, this would be a great plus for Org! >>=20 >> Best, >>=20 >> -- >> Bastien >=20 > Thanks again for your suggestions and pointers. >=20 > My public key is attached. >=20 > Regards, > Andrew > From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 Student Application Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 09:57:53 +0200 Message-ID: <87d37ljnr2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87398i65e7.fsf@gnu.org> <87ehs2e3mf.fsf@gnu.org> <87limanvw5.fsf@googlemail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56558) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SG42F-0000fF-6Y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 03:56:44 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SG42D-0002mw-Lk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 03:56:42 -0400 Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com ([74.125.82.169]:33260) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SG42D-0002mo-CL for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 03:56:41 -0400 Received: by werj55 with SMTP id j55so1658820wer.0 for ; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 00:56:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87limanvw5.fsf@googlemail.com> (Thorsten's message of "Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:36:10 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Thorsten Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Thorsten writes: > What I really would need to decide upon at the very beginning is the git > workflow - not too complicated, but somehow scalable for the future is > the project succeeds. Any suggestion besides having a master and a > private branch? Start with a git repo somewhere. Maybe prefer gitorious to github, GNU admins tend to be sensible to such nice little attentions. We can also consider hosting a new git project on orgmode.org, if your needs are pretty basics. > Should I already consider a workflow similar to the one used by you > for Org-mode? I'd say no: start with only one public master branch (and small local branches when needed, of course), and change this workflow when needed. If there are changes that need to be part of Org at some point, we will create a branch for you, just as we have feature branch right now. HTH, -- Bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Thorsten Subject: Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 Student Application Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 11:40:37 +0200 Message-ID: <871uo1nqp6.fsf@googlemail.com> References: <87398i65e7.fsf@gnu.org> <87ehs2e3mf.fsf@gnu.org> <87limanvw5.fsf@googlemail.com> <87d37ljnr2.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39902) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SG5d8-0007bv-N0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 05:39:00 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SG5d6-0006O1-NJ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 05:38:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87d37ljnr2.fsf@gnu.org> (Bastien's message of "Fri, 06 Apr 2012 09:57:53 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bastien Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Bastien writes: > Thorsten writes: > >> What I really would need to decide upon at the very beginning is the git >> workflow - not too complicated, but somehow scalable for the future is >> the project succeeds. Any suggestion besides having a master and a >> private branch? > > Start with a git repo somewhere. > > Maybe prefer gitorious to github, GNU admins tend to be sensible > to such nice little attentions. Its all done on github now, I wasn't aware that gitorious is a GNU project, it seemed everybody is on github. But github is terribly slow. I have (free private 2GB) repos at assembla too, and pushing to assembla is really fast, while pushes to github take quite some time even if only a typo was changed. > We can also consider hosting a new git project on orgmode.org, > if your needs are pretty basics. I think github and worg will suffice for code and docs, maybe with some more private stuff on assembla. >> Should I already consider a workflow similar to the one used by you >> for Org-mode? > > I'd say no: start with only one public master branch (and small local > branches when needed, of course), and change this workflow when needed. Ok, I keep it simple then. > If there are changes that need to be part of Org at some point, we will > create a branch for you, just as we have feature branch right now. at this simple level git seems to be really fun, while following your discussions with regards to org/git & emacs/bzr clearly shows that it all can end up in a nightmare of complexity ;) Thanks for the tips -- cheers, Thorsten From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Andrew Young Subject: Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 Student Application Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 06:44:47 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87398i65e7.fsf@gnu.org> <87ehs2e3mf.fsf@gnu.org> <87limanvw5.fsf@googlemail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56519) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SG6ez-0006HV-Vl for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 06:44:56 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SG6ey-0006F3-1q for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 06:44:53 -0400 Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com ([74.125.82.169]:35414) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SG6ex-0006Ea-Ox for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 06:44:51 -0400 Received: by werj55 with SMTP id j55so1749278wer.0 for ; Fri, 06 Apr 2012 03:44:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87limanvw5.fsf@googlemail.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Thorsten Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Thorsten wrote: > > Bastien writes: > > Hi Bastien, hi Andrew, > > > You can now push changes to Worg. > > I just added a directory 'student-projects' under the gsoc2012 directory > on worg, accessible through: > http://orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/gsoc2012/index.html > (see links at end of page) > > which might be used by Andrew, me and others. > Thank you, I'll fill up a project page as soon as I am able. > Andrew: I'm preparing my application for the Orgmode/Picolisp project, > which turned into a bugtracker for Org-mode project, right now. If you > want, we can communicate (here or privately). > Of course. Let me know if you need anything. > Bastien: thanks for your suggestions (private mail), gave me quite a lot > of thinks to chew - I'm busy with that right now. > > What I really would need to decide upon at the very beginning is the git > workflow - not too complicated, but somehow scalable for the future is > the project succeeds. Any suggestion besides having a master and a > private branch? Should I already consider a workflow similar to the one > used by you for Org-mode? > -- > cheers, > Thorsten > > I think only 8 hours left until the deadline! Best. Andrew Young From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Andrew Young Subject: Re: Google Summer of Code 2012 Student Application Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 07:20:18 -0400 Message-ID: References: <87398i65e7.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47106) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFkk7-0001sA-Er for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 07:20:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFkjw-0004dD-RE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 07:20:42 -0400 Received: from mail-wg0-f41.google.com ([74.125.82.41]:42095) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SFkjv-0004bf-LH for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 07:20:32 -0400 Received: by wgbds1 with SMTP id ds1so1220650wgb.0 for ; Thu, 05 Apr 2012 04:20:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Torsten Wagner Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi, On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 3:46 AM, Torsten Wagner wrote: > > Hi Andrew, > > > Reading this proposal and having a bit background in writing > proposals, I have the following suggestion: > > * I'm not sure everyone (at least the one who review this) know what > org-mode is. There should be a very small summary about org-mode and > the key-benefit being plain text (which is why you can start this > project after all). This raises the point that I have no idea at all who will be reviewing my proposal. I originally wrote the proposal targeting Org-Mode devs as the audience. This has provided some important insight to my application. Thank you! > > * In the way the proposal is written, you address org-mode users which > uses git (later you mention other CVS too). This actually makes, or at > least sound like, the proposal being only useful for a (small) > intersection of users namely org-mode AND (in the sense of an logic > AND) git-user. > I would find it more useful to describe this work as being an > extension for org-mode users; > ** They can start to collaborate on a org-mode files, including > collaboration with users of possible other software tools (e.g. > mobileorg apps). > ** Org-mode user can use a CVS system which is not only of interest > for collaboration but for keeping a chronological order of changes in > e.g. a project file. > ** It makes org-mode a possible tool for software developers which can > now use org-files e.g. for documentation and notes beside there source > code in the same git repository. > > All this points would show that the proposal is going to extend > org-mode instead of being "limited" useful for only a very particular > user-base. Finally, I guess it would be good to mention that this > project (and org-mode in general) is not limited to a OS but attracts > users of MS Windows, Mac OS and Linux. Simply to demonstrate that the > user-base can be expected to be rather large. > (Not sure if the GNU people like this ;) ) > > Torsten These are all great suggestions and points. This triggered a complete rewrite of the benefits section. Thank you for your help. Regards, Andrew Young