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To: Max Nikulin Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::136; envelope-from=samologist@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x136.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -4.12 X-Spam-Score: -4.12 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: D8CA147535 X-TUID: tPDy3JJwu4CQ [p.s. not saying this will satisfy ardent users, just bringing up the idea in case it is of use.] On 8/24/23, Samuel Wales wrote: > iiuc bastien brought up the use of a no export this heading tag as an > alternative to inline tasks. we have much or all of this capability > in faq. > > i was thinking the same thing. perhaps many use cases could have > inline tasks as siblings below the document heading, and undesired > headers could be just not exported. > > i was also wondering if links and/or some type of transclusion could > also obviate inline tasks. the formerly-inline task would contain a > link to a target above the paragraph. c-c c-c on that location would > take you back to the task. > > > On 8/24/23, Max Nikulin wrote: >> On 24/08/2023 19:21, Ihor Radchenko wrote: >>> As I described, I often want inlinetasks to be exported and to be >>> displayed in my agenda/sparse tree views >> >> It sounds like that if agenda had hooks allowing to gather either >> :inlinetask:...:end: drawers or #+begin_inlinetask...#+end_inlinetask >> custom blocks then ************** END would not be necessary. >> >> >> > > > -- > The Kafka Pandemic > > A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy: > https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com > -- The Kafka Pandemic A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy: https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com