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Wed, 18 Dec 2024 17:50:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8734m28l9a.fsf@gmail.com> <87jzd9ojj0.fsf@localhost> <87cyj0ajm9.fsf@gmail.com> <87zfm4s50x.fsf@localhost> <87wmh8s358.fsf@localhost> <87y11nwp9z.fsf@gmail.com> <87v7wd9a2h.fsf@localhost> <878qt7fbki.fsf@gmail.com> <87o71jwdxz.fsf@localhost> <87wmg6edr0.fsf@gmail.com> <87msgzh1dh.fsf@localhost> <87v7vn12tp.fsf@ASCALON.mail-host-address-is-not-set> <878qsifufe.fsf@localhost> <87y10fcy4e.fsf@localhost> <871py689uh.fsf@localhost> <87a5ctclfa.fsf@bernoul.li> In-Reply-To: <87a5ctclfa.fsf@bernoul.li> From: Samuel Wales Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2024 18:50:19 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Transient: accessibility problems for users who need to use large fonts (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? 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To: Jonas Bernoulli Cc: Ihor Radchenko , Panayotis Manganaris , =?UTF-8?Q?Tor=2Dbj=C3=B6rn_Claesson?= , emacs-devel@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?Omar_Antol=C3=ADn_Camarena?= , Jonas Bernoulli , Juri Linkov , karthikchikmagalur@gmail.com, Visuwesh , Justin Burkett Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::22e; envelope-from=samologist@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-x22e.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 19 Dec 2024 00:54:18 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Scanner: mx13.migadu.com X-Migadu-Spam-Score: 2.77 X-Spam-Score: 2.77 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 22B207F05A X-TUID: Etf78ERX5VBo my idea is to wrap within the column of text in the menu. e.g. the 3rd column of text. like reflowing. it seems better than all other solutions i came up with. to me, the problem with truncation is that it requires horizontal scrolling. in my case, vertical scrolling is preferable to horizontal scrolling. by analogy, consider websites with pars that do not reflow. if you use large text, and every line goes past rhs. then you have to horizontally scroll both right and left for every line of the paragraph. with text columns, this can sometimes be less of a problem, if you can fit a column, but it is a problem if long lines exist in a single column, or if you want to compare columns line by line. horizontal scrolling is useful on general principles, if combined with toggle truncate lines, so i like the idea of adding it, but it does not solve this particular problem. On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 3:53=E2=80=AFAM Jonas Bernoulli = wrote: > > If I understand the below correctly, you prefer noticeable truncation > in combination with convenient scrolling support, over wrapping (which > is bound to look bad and confusing, even if we optimize some more). > > That is my own preference (too?), and we can look into further tweaks > in that direction next year. > > Jonas > > > Samuel Wales writes: > > > On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 11:02=E2=80=AFAM Ihor Radchenko wrote: > >> In other words, you need visual-line-mode inside transient buffers. Do= I > >> understand correctly? > > > > that sounds similar to current behavior. > > > > my suggestion would wrap to the character column of the beginning of > > the third text column. > > > > similar to html for non-first table cells. not lhs. > > > > lorem ipsum akemashite omedetou hello > > asjnfaksjdnf ajsk dfnkajsd fkaj sf this line > > long > > > > code likely exists someplace in core for this. in org or a browser. > > > >> I think you can bind SPC and DEL in `transient-base-map' to make thing= s > >> easier for you. I agree that SPC/DEL doing scrolling are expected from= a > >> menu. > > > > thank you. > > > > it would make sense, for me, usually, for SPC to wrap around to first > > page in menus, so that DEL is not strictly needed. transient wraps > > for arrow; idk SPC. > > > >> On my side, there is an indication after I customized > >> (setq-default indicate-buffer-boundaries 'left) > > > > you are absolutely right. i have had something similar forever. > > > > the reason i didn't notice it is 1] for me the fringe glyph is small > > -- can it be larger? and 2] the cursor is always at bol in transient > > in my case for that menu, so the fringe is less noticeable next to a > > large block cursor. > > > > also, i just noticed that transient has a dim horizontal line at eob > > in that menu which is thoughtful and useful. i don't know what face > > it uses. > > > >> which exact menu you are talking about and when did scroll stopped > >> working? I may be missing something. > > > > i don't think you're missing anything significant. i didn't mean to > > make you do forensics. it was merely a recollection of a possibility; > > i'd find it useful if todo kw scrolled, but i cannot say that it > > regressed. --=20 The Kafka Pandemic A blog about science, health, human rights, and misopathy: https://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com