From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Samuel Wales Subject: Re: [RFC] Simplify `org-show-context' configuration Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 15:07:23 -0700 Message-ID: References: <87lhjxh8q4.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <87pp98uv7o.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38297) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YNqIj-000615-3K for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:07:30 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YNqIe-0001Ex-AF for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:07:29 -0500 Received: from mail-lb0-f180.google.com ([209.85.217.180]:37643) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YNqIe-0001Cr-2e for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 17:07:24 -0500 Received: by lbvn10 with SMTP id n10so7291608lbv.4 for ; Tue, 17 Feb 2015 14:07:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87pp98uv7o.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Samuel Wales , Org Mode List hi nicolas, On 2/17/15, Nicolas Goaziou wrote: > I don't understand. Body text is not shown in ancestors. Considering the > following buffer: > > * Grandmother > ** Uncle > *** Heir > ** Father > Ancestor text > *** Sister > Sibling text > *** Self > Match > **** First born > Child text > **** The other child > *** Brother > ** Aunt > > `canonical' view is > > * Grandmother > ** Uncle > ** Father > *** Sister > *** Self > Match > **** First born > **** The other child > *** Brother > ** Aunt thanks for showing a complete example. that is not canonical. i thought we were working from my previous posts over the years where i used the term "canonical". you cannot create the visibility state you show from a fully-folded buffer using only arrow keys and tab. there are exactly two types of visibility. each type has many variants in principle, but we only need a few for each. 1] can be created using arrows and tab from a fully-folded buffer 2] cannot this is a critical distinction. org so far is not capable of doing any of the [1] states when going to a location. that's the problem that needs solving imo. i actually don't care about any of the [2] states until [1] is possible. within [1], there is a minimal state. let's call it minimal-canonical. /that/ is the state that is most needed. it's roughly like what you show except with the body text for all ancestors. what you show is [2]. it is a great view, and needed, but it is not minimal-canonical. i don't want the term canonical to be used for any of the [2] states, because then we will be back to missing the need for the minimal-canonical view and the need for preserving an org buffer's [1] status. hope that clarifies. samuel -- The Kafka Pandemic: http://thekafkapandemic.blogspot.com The disease DOES progress. MANY people have died from it. And ANYBODY can get it. Denmark: free Karina Hansen NOW.