Have been using org mode for more than 10 years and package manager since emacs 26. When I moved to emacs 28, the included org package was 9.4x and a nag message to install org from the elpa repository appeared everytime an org file is processed. I run emacs on windows and list-packages does not show and "org" package to install although there are many "org-xxx" packages. Suggestions appreciated! Paul H. Schlesinger MD, PhD Washington University School of Medicine Don't let your models of reality become confused with reality itself.