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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619049734; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=Eistu5ei3qnxXu7kk4jKZiLSPMkPUPwvY19jIE5/laU=; b=VNglyBXMmDOcVdMcO7p1Onuw+laj4+EDtVRvuhZkbezxaTrM9YiK4QZS8ZhUrvFbLuTD+5 aGPUSWvV2zl5Y2Q9nGGU0QhH2tsqujh+YN85NfVJbAKvLPf2hCbT4s7SPNytTEdX8kxWrx rFM+hWIugL2aLbIMlYMIfIgOEhdN1jQbnsghqmk4AMIF6BAXngWQKjK1Pewpw+tU1Ojwo/ qhG0Bctxo5auQ4LA06FRxsBTWliVnGtGrkAqQeuB2GYaY2XIsnxrKmG8dhK2LMnS2eE7Sy /YPnHLLfhDJTddU4UknZ3Uei8IM13HgPKd60U/vRqmfr5JFdDBpLuDGwxG2mTA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619049734; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=dOIMtRr9giH7B3vpaEznKzS9cHvVa6ECpgsS6I2+6K786w4xCheKzkGae9l1fshH5pCWv4 N7VF/JfZ2QScs6O3uoXIL/4SovW844lP9QJ0yoe/GvrB+39tuulV/xCd9BzNoVj+5CxjKK bxu6NWC321PQhBwiuTI8wT4lFSpnjjcb7ScanwB55kpcuGKS7naKgp0gOVxeIvNYcWh9iT EKbMgb0rK/N422JVhtj+2vUETFlYQbR4eCSvVdXeUHwYdI/fYgp6MlnSY8lsypAZw55M7b QE0hMVwMYFgg52SJKIghXPU5WF7sGQV6KkQAW+va8tT+lbS+9RmQmbWWofGbng== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=RYs0Ud+V; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.64 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=RYs0Ud+V; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 0FD73226F8 X-Spam-Score: -1.64 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 2OZdHoA1Or4U On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 7:51 PM Nicolas Goaziou wr= ote: > > Hello, > > Andr=C3=A1s Simonyi writes: > > > This is a crucial point: when a note CSL style is used, the export has > > to generate footnotes "around" those citations which are not already > > in a footnote. > > Since citeproc-org generates only Org fragments, this is very simple > > to do (with anonymous footnotes), but for other formats it can be > > rather complicated. Would calling `org-export-data-with-backend' > > handle this? If yes then adding an argument to request this call > > would be very useful. > > No, I don't think `org-export-data' would handle this. It may require > a more specific tool. > > Do you have a small example (org + desired output) so I can experiment > with it? In general (conceptually), if you have one footnote in text, and one in a footnote, with a note style, both will be rendered as footnotes. So in an adapted version from earlier: ---- Text 1 [@cite:@a]. Text 2[fn:1]. [fn:1] This is [cite:@b]. ---- Output would put both citations in respective footnotes. I included this originally in CSL to make it possible for a user to switch between note-based and other styles without having to modify their documents. Bruce