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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2d X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 X-Spam-Score: -1.71 Authentication-Results: aspmx2.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=T3ZgYiK0; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx2.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Scan-Result: default: False [-1.71 / 13.00]; GENERIC_REPUTATION(0.00)[-0.57734123043633]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.51.188.0/24:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; IP_REPUTATION_HAM(0.00)[asn: 22989(0.28), country: US(-0.01), ip: 209.51.188.17(-0.58)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.50)[cached: eggs.gnu.org]; MAILLIST(-0.20)[mailman]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22989, ipnet:209.51.188.0/24, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[larch=yhetil.org]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[bdarcus@gmail.com,emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[emacs-orgmode@gnu.org]; HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FORGED_SENDER_MAILLIST(0.00)[] X-TUID: cM/brE9AUAuF On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 4:34 AM Stefan Nobis wrote: > [Placing bibliography with "#+bibliography: here"] > > It is smart, but I'm not sure I like using the same keyword for two > > different things. OTOH, I don't have a better idea. > > I personally also dislike one keyword for completely different > purposes. Therefore I suggest to take the idea from BibLaTeX and use a > keyword like "printbibliography" the mark the place where the > bibliography should be output. So we need one keyword to designate the bibliographic data file, and another where to place the formatted output. > This command may also have parameters like filtering options (maybe > depending on the backend processor; I only know BibLaTeX so I can't > say if it would be easy to abstract away differences between different > engines). In the case of BiBLaTeX the printbibliography command > optionally accepts multiple key-value parameters. Some examples for > the keys are "heading" for the chapter/section heading, "type" to > output/print only entries of a certain type (like "book"; or type > "online" and with the additional key "nottype" separate non-online and > online sources), "keyword" to filter entries with the associated > keyword etc. > > Another nice feature of BibLaTeX is the possibility to generate > bibliography per chapter/section (e.g. setting conference > proceedings). In the simplest case each chapter/section is marked, in > the case of LaTeX/BibLaTeX it is wrapped with "\begin{refsection}" and > "\end{refsection}" and the printbibliography command occurs inside > this refsection block. In this case BibLaTeX defaults to output only > references used inside the marked block. Indeed, this is a good summary, and also a feature often requested on the Zotero forums. I think the way biblatex handles this is general, based on reading the docs, is good. It'd be nice to have, but maybe not essential for a first step? Bruce