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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1621201150; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=xF5Pfd2nO1Nq2qOGsVpCvPhEPCAevI0drAQZfBYomMY=; b=TZEUNOt5rWK4cAdwzOmGJ6j2Pqkboipb2ZHdX+/IN4c+O080xE+2veOrSlgXEdlUJMSsJ0 4Ws7X1ZPPOkkNnjmc53qXhXOT9sr/pWYvQ8xD7V9Yv0sSWtSRMJyqw+N3nGxanP9Ffs5CX 8h4tIQ52PXjfT7ynVFN/DeeKUhE6dfPkPK7/Qs30kvYGMx2zQzOChBC8/O6uplW/qkxsGB fG/jdWG9Smc39gfeZx/tWKawnVmGD8gj29EJKtIKoaNruAHReDEuYV02Mm8aJY7Tba0pZs Cf3H5Jmc+MgvgPM9k58ZHnQTT/Qd1sMHxnAFXmh76z3MXj36vZhEZHE3xkcitg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1621201150; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=smLrjNex3khraaqPhaghN04Iu5dH9y9F9FSQqe3YJHdRauiw+Igh56OpuKcYk8uELQhXjg WCOHY3/rHTs7aYWBuvSixDNCsFfcE5HxPyn49NOmMnM6z7p8zvjpp6m4pYGzKHEZ6V22Ao 1HvirX4WwkR+n/lp81XSMOmYYzghr7GLiQs5BsAQbtxXbrbyde/0SYN35iElBrpFrK7ONt 5eidKcgtcYjX9u2KW3R4tTkvyCo8jleVLV4VBbQdZn/if3/RCG2hlElhqDAm0TXLCSKSnV 1nZiGm5zKeOG380Mb//HXX5jljHccrlwuKs/uruyctDBMYHhnaFqIn76Py/GFQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=PqnkBe22; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.65 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=PqnkBe22; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 58DA515830 X-Spam-Score: -1.65 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: o/LEGXAO19Ij On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 5:29 PM Denis Maier wrote: ... > There's only one further complication: if the quotation is a set off > block quote, the citation comes after the punctuation mark: > This is a complete sentence. (author year) I've not seen that with the cases I'm familiar with (US and UK English). The citation would just be inside the final period of the blockquote, so depending on style class: - ... ending of blockquote (Doe, 2019). - ... ending of blockquote [doe19]. - ... ending of blockquote.[1] So there would be need for any special handling. I mean blockquotes don't normally include quotation marks around them. Can you clarify the rule/situation that would use that approach? Bruce