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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1635970499; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=jE6cJLuBAI/g83doKO+BapiuxPsbV0ZZ5NN5aQgfY4Y=; b=ZTP2UUS/dNgjLIOdNlFiJC+fIbI6TZ9Z06JfL0uDeFcvm7ne4HWX7L+ZSOTswT+dIwNWDz s8vLRgVjv/a50GhZ/nSE7OzdFCwFzOE+5tgccDvu608brObqxk67lQBToQOMjnmSkOUigM gUZxs1/r/NsNwXMo2t/0Z4k23sUN6Voz79xlp1KUhgNHwpI8QEOl1Xt7sheoBJteZfxpwz 6q2UOOfCtrjUUwjpR7BW0lfTSQADheKE0gYv+goX1+OEPqcLWCwJP9O5WwMx53j2V08/l0 x/hiUqFSNMEtuKo5ymEImJRwaTvaVNjnHmxWItOLzDaKhAR/xRCNO/qdrav/dg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1635970499; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=QPEIGIdzJGenrg8P7VWDk2cbGsiNpAHWdkVqIK8kUz4zMmaIKRz1KGWbOLEbBuqtd3ZjvE QOBOVxERgkQnSD7ok3dlYPLC5zB38YR0uQQ/wzviHff8jhpUWAqMk8ZYr2gmj8tXURNX+3 vZ8E6vIgT2GY6D6ZfrMIdrDYbMJz+wrUJqQUPMvZkvMfonqRcJNbc9viy6v6Dr/uhRiVff 93T/ji+yOm+EzD/BaGSUm1j27+9pjJChaSkwcZrQ2+FkaBOjstIRs9/Js2EPpCxUmQ3WJW 9Hso6LPLaJwusQyBGEXGCIuv8zBMEeLjgpmgYNXgHBHQNo99831LIIwNhEYeng== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=ahROQMy9; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.12 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=ahROQMy9; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7106FCD27 X-Spam-Score: -3.12 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 63IQ0e5iElrz I believe my confusion was due to the fact that the docstring of org-startup-folded is not particularly precise regarding to its possible values. On the one hand it seems to be a toggle, but its initial value is nevertheless showeverything and not t. On the other hand it states that "This can also be configured on a per-file basis by adding one of the following lines anywhere in your buffer..." but it's not clear whether these values may also be assigned directly to the variable. If you do that, then inconsistencies appear: when they are options in a buffer, showall and nofold are both mapped to nil, fold and overview are both mapped to t; but when they are directly set this mapping obviously doesn't take place. Following a suggestion I'd read elsewhere, I set org-startup-folded to fold (and, later, to overview), and this is not really calling org-overview but instead ends up in a catch-all clause that hides drawers. By the same token I could have set org-startup-folded to foobar. The point still stands that showall and contents fold drawers but overview (aka fold) doesn't fold drawers, which seems extremely odd to me. Best regards, Carlos