Erratum in "The Org Manual" 9.6

Erratum in "The Org Manual" 9.6

[Maske]

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There are some links, that I am afraid don't work:


17.14.1 Packages that Org cooperates with

‘calc.el’ by Dave Gillespie
[...] See Section “Embedded Mode” in calc.

# that link doesn't work, it seems it tries to open the file calc.pdf



‘constants.el’ by Carsten Dominik [...] 
http://www.astro.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools.


# That link is dead. Maybe this would be the correct one: 
https://staff.fnwi.uva.nl/c.dominik/#orgf869524

Best regards

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Re: Erratum in "The Org Manual" 9.6

[Ihor Radchenko]

Maske <maske1foro@gmail.com> writes:

> There are some links, that I am afraid don't work:
>
>
> 17.14.1 Packages that Org cooperates with
>
> ‘calc.el’ by Dave Gillespie
> [...] See Section “Embedded Mode” in calc.
>
> # that link doesn't work, it seems it tries to open the file calc.pdf

It works on my side, when opening from inside org-manual.org, from Info
manual page, and from https://orgmode.org/manual/Cooperation.html. May
you please provide more details?

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Should we move constants.el by Carsten Dominik to Org orphanage? (was: Erratum in "The Org Manual" 9.6)

[Ihor Radchenko]

Maske <maske1foro@gmail.com> writes:

> There are some links, that I am afraid don't work:
> ...
> ‘constants.el’ by Carsten Dominik [...] 
> http://www.astro.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools.
>
>
> # That link is dead. Maybe this would be the correct one: 
> https://staff.fnwi.uva.nl/c.dominik/#orgf869524

The source code at https://github.com/cdominik/constants-for-Emacs has
not been changed since the end of 2020, and I have last seen Carsten
being active on mailing lists at the beginning of 2021.

So, we may instead consider marking the package at
https://orgmode.org/worg/org-orphanage.html and maybe inside
https://sr.ht/~bzg/org/ project.

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Re: Should we move constants.el by Carsten Dominik to Org orphanage?

[Bastien Guerry]

Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:

> Maske <maske1foro@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> There are some links, that I am afraid don't work:
>> ...
>> ‘constants.el’ by Carsten Dominik [...] 
>> http://www.astro.uva.nl/~dominik/Tools.
>>
>>
>> # That link is dead. Maybe this would be the correct one: 
>> https://staff.fnwi.uva.nl/c.dominik/#orgf869524
>
> The source code at https://github.com/cdominik/constants-for-Emacs has
> not been changed since the end of 2020, and I have last seen Carsten
> being active on mailing lists at the beginning of 2021.

(My guess is that Carsten still skims through the list from time to
time.)

> So, we may instead consider marking the package at
> https://orgmode.org/worg/org-orphanage.html and maybe inside
> https://sr.ht/~bzg/org/ project.

I see no reason not to use
https://github.com/cdominik/constants-for-Emacs as the source for
constants.el, the package seems stable (as its name suggests...)

I've fixed the link in the manual.

Of course, if Carsten wants to move the package to Org orphanage, 
no problem.

Thanks,

-- 
 Bastien

Re: Should we move constants.el by Carsten Dominik to Org orphanage?

[Ihor Radchenko]

Bastien Guerry <bzg@gnu.org> writes:

> I see no reason not to use
> https://github.com/cdominik/constants-for-Emacs as the source for
> constants.el, the package seems stable (as its name suggests...)

I was mostly concerned that a pull request back from 2020 is still open.

That said, there is indeed no rush and actually no urgent need to do
anything - it is not like we are getting an large inflow of bug reports
related to constants.el.

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Re: Should we move constants.el by Carsten Dominik to Org orphanage?

[Bastien Guerry]

Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:

> Bastien Guerry <bzg@gnu.org> writes:
>
>> I see no reason not to use
>> https://github.com/cdominik/constants-for-Emacs as the source for
>> constants.el, the package seems stable (as its name suggests...)
>
> I was mostly concerned that a pull request back from 2020 is still
> open.

AFAICT the PR is about whitespaces in the README, so not a blocker.

> That said, there is indeed no rush and actually no urgent need to do
> anything - it is not like we are getting an large inflow of bug reports
> related to constants.el.

Indeed :)

-- 
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Re: Should we move constants.el by Carsten Dominik to Org orphanage?

[Carsten Dominik]

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On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 12:12 PM Bastien Guerry <bzg@gnu.org> wrote:

> Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:
>
> > Bastien Guerry <bzg@gnu.org> writes:
> >
> >> I see no reason not to use
> >> https://github.com/cdominik/constants-for-Emacs as the source for
> >> constants.el, the package seems stable (as its name suggests...)
>

Yes, this is stable, and I am still maintaining it.

Carsten


> >
> > I was mostly concerned that a pull request back from 2020 is still
> > open.
>
> AFAICT the PR is about whitespaces in the README, so not a blocker.
>
> > That said, there is indeed no rush and actually no urgent need to do
> > anything - it is not like we are getting an large inflow of bug reports
> > related to constants.el.
>
> Indeed :)
>
> --
>  Bastien Guerry
>

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Re: Should we move constants.el by Carsten Dominik to Org orphanage?

[Ihor Radchenko]

Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

> On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 12:12 PM Bastien Guerry <bzg@gnu.org> wrote:
>
>> Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:
>>
>> > Bastien Guerry <bzg@gnu.org> writes:
>> >
>> >> I see no reason not to use
>> >> https://github.com/cdominik/constants-for-Emacs as the source for
>> >> constants.el, the package seems stable (as its name suggests...)
>>
>
> Yes, this is stable, and I am still maintaining it.

Thanks for chiming in :)
Have you considered publishing constants.el as GNU/non-GNU ELPA package?

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Re: Should we move constants.el by Carsten Dominik to Org orphanage?

[Carsten Dominik]

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On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 7:42 PM Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> wrote:

> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Mon, Oct 16, 2023 at 12:12 PM Bastien Guerry <bzg@gnu.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:
> >>
> >> > Bastien Guerry <bzg@gnu.org> writes:
> >> >
> >> >> I see no reason not to use
> >> >> https://github.com/cdominik/constants-for-Emacs as the source for
> >> >> constants.el, the package seems stable (as its name suggests...)
> >>
> >
> > Yes, this is stable, and I am still maintaining it.
>
> Thanks for chiming in :)
> Have you considered publishing constants.el as GNU/non-GNU ELPA package?
>

I have not yet considered that.  I think this package ha only few users.
Am I wrong about that?

Carsten


>
> --
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Re: Should we move constants.el by Carsten Dominik to Org orphanage?

[Ihor Radchenko]

Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

>> > Yes, this is stable, and I am still maintaining it.
>>
>> Thanks for chiming in :)
>> Have you considered publishing constants.el as GNU/non-GNU ELPA package?
>>
>
> I have not yet considered that.  I think this package ha only few users.
> Am I wrong about that?

Maybe, maybe not. But I think that it may be the chicken-and-egg problem
- constants.el may be not used because it is not available in the
package repositories.

I am asking mostly because Org mode declares support of constants.el in
the manual:

    ‘constants.el’ by Carsten Dominik
    
         Org can use names for constants in formulas in tables.  Org can
         also use calculation suffixes for units, such as ‘M’ for ‘Mega’.
         For a standard collection of such constants, install the
         ‘constants’ package.  Install version 2.0 of this package,
         available at <https://github.com/cdominik/constants-for-Emacs>.
         Org checks if the function ‘constants-get’ has been autoloaded.
         Installation instructions are in the file ‘constants.el’.

... and it would be nice to have it available via the usual M-x
package-install.

I also see no reason why this package would not be accepted - it is a
useful package, especially when it can be installed without efforts.

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Re: Should we move constants.el by Carsten Dominik to Org orphanage?

[Colin Baxter]

>>>>> Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:

    > Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
    >>>> Yes, this is stable, and I am still maintaining it.
    >>> 
    >>> Thanks for chiming in :) Have you considered publishing
    >>> constants.el as GNU/non-GNU ELPA package?
    >>> 
    >> 
    >> I have not yet considered that.  I think this package ha only few
    >> users.  Am I wrong about that?

    > Maybe, maybe not. But I think that it may be the chicken-and-egg
    > problem - constants.el may be not used because it is not available
    > in the package repositories.

    > I am asking mostly because Org mode declares support of
    > constants.el in the manual:

    >     ‘️constants.el’ by Carsten Dominik
    
    >          Org can use names for constants in formulas in tables.
    > Org can also use calculation suffixes for units, such as ‘️M’ for
    > ‘Mega’.  For a standard collection of such constants, install the
    > ‘️constants’ package.  Install version 2.0 of this package,
    > available at <https://github.com/cdominik/constants-for-Emacs>.
    > Org checks if the function ‘️constants-get’ has been autoloaded.
    > Installation instructions are in the file ‘️constants.el’.

    > ... and it would be nice to have it available via the usual M-x
    > package-install.

Wouldn't that be over-kill: it's only one lisp file. And an excellent
file it is, but I just have it in my lisp path. Anyway, I refuse to use
package repositories preferring to install things myself.

Best wishes,

Colin Baxter.

Re: Should we move constants.el by Carsten Dominik to Org orphanage?

[Carsten Dominik]

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Is there a volunteer who would like to help creating a package for
constants.el?
I don't have experience creating packages....

- Carsten

On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 8:49 PM Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> wrote:

> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >> > Yes, this is stable, and I am still maintaining it.
> >>
> >> Thanks for chiming in :)
> >> Have you considered publishing constants.el as GNU/non-GNU ELPA package?
> >>
> >
> > I have not yet considered that.  I think this package ha only few users.
> > Am I wrong about that?
>
> Maybe, maybe not. But I think that it may be the chicken-and-egg problem
> - constants.el may be not used because it is not available in the
> package repositories.
>
> I am asking mostly because Org mode declares support of constants.el in
> the manual:
>
>     ‘constants.el’ by Carsten Dominik
>
>          Org can use names for constants in formulas in tables.  Org can
>          also use calculation suffixes for units, such as ‘M’ for ‘Mega’.
>          For a standard collection of such constants, install the
>          ‘constants’ package.  Install version 2.0 of this package,
>          available at <https://github.com/cdominik/constants-for-Emacs>.
>          Org checks if the function ‘constants-get’ has been autoloaded.
>          Installation instructions are in the file ‘constants.el’.
>
> ... and it would be nice to have it available via the usual M-x
> package-install.
>
> I also see no reason why this package would not be accepted - it is a
> useful package, especially when it can be installed without efforts.
>
> --
> Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
> Org mode contributor,
> Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
> Support Org development at <https://liberapay.com/org-mode>,
> or support my work at <https://liberapay.com/yantar92>
>

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Re: Should we move constants.el by Carsten Dominik to Org orphanage?

[Ihor Radchenko]

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Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

> Is there a volunteer who would like to help creating a package for
> constants.el?
> I don't have experience creating packages....

Sure. It is extremely easy.
See the attached.
You just need to ask on emacs-devel to add it.


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From 20474fe5d48d94e2efe50fea6df4744d80051ea9 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
Message-ID: <20474fe5d48d94e2efe50fea6df4744d80051ea9.1723103048.git.yantar92@posteo.net>
From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2024 09:43:52 +0200
Subject: [PATCH] * elpa-packages (constants): New package

---
 elpa-packages | 2 ++
 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+)

diff --git a/elpa-packages b/elpa-packages
index 4cae4219d..cd6dec997 100644
--- a/elpa-packages
+++ b/elpa-packages
@@ -168,6 +168,8 @@
  (company-statistics	:url "https://github.com/company-mode/company-statistics")
  (compat		:url "https://github.com/emacs-compat/compat"
   :doc "compat.texi")
+ (constants            :url "https://github.com/cdominik/constants-for-Emacs"
+  :ignored-files ("Makefile"))
  (consult		:url "https://github.com/minad/consult"
   :doc "README.org"
   :news "CHANGELOG.org"
-- 
2.45.2


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