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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::743 X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 X-Spam-Score: -1.81 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=MWhv+Lfm; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Scan-Result: default: False [-1.81 / 13.00]; GENERIC_REPUTATION(0.00)[-0.56491156516134]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.51.188.0/24:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; IP_REPUTATION_HAM(0.00)[asn: 22989(0.22), country: US(-0.00), ip: 209.51.188.17(-0.56)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.50)[cached: eggs.gnu.org]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MAILLIST(-0.20)[mailman]; FORGED_RECIPIENTS_MAILLIST(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[209.51.188.17:from]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:22989, ipnet:209.51.188.0/24, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[larch=yhetil.org]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[6]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; URIBL_BLOCKED(0.00)[alphapapa.net:email]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[davidandrewrogers@gmail.com,emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[emacs-orgmode@gnu.org]; HAS_LIST_UNSUB(-0.01)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FORGED_SENDER_MAILLIST(0.00)[] X-TUID: LPuZTJOgQvwu --0000000000004e5f0c05a3e62c8a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Saturday, January 25, 2020, Adam Porter wrote: > I care about stability, not MELPA Stable. It's your choice to use MELPA > Stable, and you're free to upgrade or downgrade individual packages to > work around such occasional, temporary breakage caused by it--the pieces > are yours to keep. I'm sorry for any inconvenience, but your config is > up to you. I'm making an extremely late reply, sorry. It seems to me that this last statement ("Your config is up to you"), or perhaps the point of view that produces it, is not self-evident when applied to package versions. I think that in some way it's near the heart of the controversy. Maybe for me personally, my config being up to me (regarding package versions) is a disadvantage. I gratefully make use of a number of packages that I don't fully understand, and if I was required to study all of them until I was confident that I *did* fully understand them before installing, I'd just give up using Emacs at all. I don't think there's likely to be any person who uses all of the packages offered in the list. It appears to me that there are sort of "interest groups" of Emacs users, where members of each group tend to all install, use, and collectively debug a similar subset of what's available. I've discovered that if I install the packages that are most popular among the org-mode group, Emacs does what I want and everything seems to work. A sort of de facto "group curation system", that has created a sort of unofficial ad-hoc "org-mode group consensus distro of Emacs". -- David -- David Rogers --0000000000004e5f0c05a3e62c8a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Saturday, January 25, 2020, Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net> wrote:

> I care abou= t stability, not MELPA Stable.=C2=A0 It's your choice to use MELPA
&= gt; Stable, and you're free to upgrade or downgrade individual packages= to
> work around such occasional, temporary breakage caused by it--t= he pieces
> are yours to keep.=C2=A0 I'm sorry for any inconvenie= nce, but your config is
> up to you.


I'm making an ext= remely late reply, sorry.

It seems to me that this last statement (&= quot;Your config is up to you"), or perhaps the point of view that pro= duces it, is not self-evident when applied to package versions. I think tha= t in some way it's near the heart of the controversy.

Maybe for = me personally, my config being up to me (regarding package versions) is a d= isadvantage. I gratefully make use of a number of packages that I don't= fully understand, and if I was required to study all of them until I was c= onfident that I *did* fully understand them before installing, I'd just= give up using Emacs at all.

I don't think there's likely to= be any person who uses all of the packages offered in the list. It appears= to me that there are sort of "interest groups" of Emacs users, w= here members of each group tend to all install, use, and collectively debug= a similar subset of what's available. I've discovered that if I in= stall the packages that are most popular among the org-mode group, Emacs do= es what I want and everything seems to work. A sort of de facto "group= curation system", that has created a sort of unofficial ad-hoc "= org-mode group consensus distro of Emacs".

--
David

= --
David Rogers

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