From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id QH4sOM5FgGBHaQAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 17:33:34 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id 8KHfM85FgGCMBwAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 15:33:34 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4404D1F0CB for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 17:33:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:48620 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZEr5-0001qP-Nb for larch@yhetil.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:33:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:41404) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZEpq-0001oU-JY for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:32:16 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-f51.google.com ([209.85.218.51]:43774) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lZEpl-0001G7-Ms for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:32:14 -0400 Received: by mail-ej1-f51.google.com with SMTP id l4so64101095ejc.10 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:32:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=vo7d58A4ZmhZV8eCsCySSRNLohco6VaFq5QOdakhRJM=; b=lL1L8lxuLM4Jk+qSrJSFSnQvSG7KP1v8v03RFpUZvYWcsAQXBgDVQt9tFOs9LWSs70 4v9hjCleueiw4ABvz65vi1DSGQVfHhbAjvJ0MSX15nRL1hw7arABNdSgPSWA9Ollcrlz ljyvOmrE5jsN4EYwdUqhBlwcxetvrr6HCdu09YorP4gOYT4PYXogqOjxdi1kAbhMtvLG u1R4tyd/Mioo6ARsWdo2Zv8/7Mrj7DjoXGLO1+4jSUD32S1eZPxOfhJyA9skgRtOK3VS sG3fO5RC5jALayorZRQrUk9Dd+qmOQGLrorfEXNQ2r2B2ZNh/Tx5hiLduP4QqfFxHPXf cIIQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532qerMG6wlPy5GzUOk62XkvUIiPyE6Q0xg9C+yU6SsGC/dxPiNS CfBEIptp9LD/+yLvS10Rm+5jA35XbZCv1/8Mm4U= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxzSOmdO3XiXR0THjMC54c5q8GK9F4rlLFRgImxp9Gqk7NLtfa/1cpjC51vqf7tvB39iSLI2N01CA6P/LcN7JY= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:f41:: with SMTP id h1mr23784982ejj.399.1619019126286; Wed, 21 Apr 2021 08:32:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87pmyuyssi.fsf@gmail.com> <87eef4hs9o.fsf@gmail.com> <467d556f-f0fa-018f-99c6-54fb748ab451@gmx.at> <1c557c0e35e04440ba2dadfe57e5b590@VI1PR0102MB3327.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> <878s5bojie.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <878s5bojie.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> From: ian martins Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 11:31:54 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Concerns about community contributor support To: ian martins , Org-Mode mailing list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e82b3b05c07d439c" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.218.51; envelope-from=ianxm1@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-f51.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -10 X-Spam_score: -1.1 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619019214; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=vo7d58A4ZmhZV8eCsCySSRNLohco6VaFq5QOdakhRJM=; b=JaBGdbLgiZL1tseh3HWDBMTmtTuomWMH2J3N3i7ROkcE5L5G8+BGs5sUr59Q2D9GZrqmXx H/WAl7DfZAU3lYl6hN/32K4mmZGHZ/j9loxYrk2NYSJp6SEO+LcywzHiCVuUSKQ2ubJLtN 5toeTwcxcN4UQ3uPljxqV6nIj7Y/Qr96UhTuXl11IGbmfBZNrhXGmZprVSTrIU9PkUqk6q 1pdzCLb3/Tej8b0J4vhP76ITbe7Dplqd0+nGARZnHVaXeme91I6+GIW+Xwz9xyuAzEwAAC BSrOzl2SquZ9jEKpWu7gsUcs/eguzgDxtn037gS35tzU4EQLyBFgNlLrFeqeSQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619019214; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=GWqx/SW50FvrTZ+Nk3zOKCdyD0nm3EPcyjBNISMnCCAUM01vBFyArJTBeT7WACUx/jPC7m fDjfJaw9LkyAlhc/3oieZlVd2YD7+LPoR4s/wU39bBZe4iDAJsl9I6dRXrKfE5a0YXo+Aq 64Thy0St6FzNOxpcumlgBbFPiZF4Fc0rvabJuAjZShLo9ldsXkAYQ/F1m7PQ3sl2xBVtf8 saJ1/RF7p7JQPIbvgW+T7Uj3iMY0VxMCkrMXNkzgcR94EyfRZ82dDIqfP5yxBopakQs3Tz 5LBCXsgNlzZXoyn1YhIB7XIiNh/JMPFZZhZinqLRw2QXCpmfBxg+wOWqyAUeyw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.34 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=jhu.edu (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4404D1F0CB X-Spam-Score: -2.34 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: yTArIyO2oqvF --000000000000e82b3b05c07d439c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 9:27 AM Eric S Fraga wrote: > > On Wednesday, 21 Apr 2021 at 12:55, ian martins wrote: > > 1. A patch looks useful to me, but I feel I don't know if it's a good > > [...] > > > "Thanks for submitting this. I'd use it. Hopefully a maintainer > > will take a look." > > Ian, > > I think you will find that a few of us do post answers like this every > now and again. I know that I do. > I didn't mean to imply that you or anyone else never does this. I actually don't do it myself, and on reflection I believe it is for the reasons I listed above (a patch may look helpful but I don't know for sure that it'll be good overall, or it applies to a part of the code that I've not looked at). I thought others might have the same reasons for not responding. The lack of answers to cases 2 & 3 are essentially showing a lack of > interest which is basically an (implicit) answer as well. It may seem > dismissive but, given the volume of email some of us have to deal with > in our day job, it's just reality, I would suggest, without it meaning > to be judgemental in any way. > Lack of interest /is/ an implicit answer. The question is if that is a good way to answer. I agree with Timothy that ignoring newcomers' first attempt at contribution is an effective way to drive people away. Is that worth it in order to reduce email? --000000000000e82b3b05c07d439c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 9:27 AM Eric = S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> = wrote:

On Wednesday, 21 Apr 2021 at 12:55, ian martins wrote:
> 1. A patch looks useful to me, but I feel I don't know if it's= a good

[...]

>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "Thanks for submitting this. I'd use it.=C2=A0 H= opefully a maintainer
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 will take a look."

Ian,

I think you will find that a few of us do post answers like this every
now and again.=C2=A0 I know that I do.

= I didn't mean to imply that you or anyone else never does this. I actua= lly don't do it myself, and on reflection I believe it is for the reaso= ns I listed above (a patch may look helpful but I don't know for sure t= hat it'll be good overall, or it applies to a part of the code that I&#= 39;ve not looked at). I thought others might have the same reasons for not = responding.

The lack of answers to cases 2 & 3 are essentially showing a lack of interest which is basically an (implicit) answer as well.=C2=A0 It may seem=
dismissive but, given the volume of email some of us have to deal with
in our day job, it's just reality, I would suggest, without it meaning<= br> to be judgemental in any way.
=C2=A0
Lack of= interest /is/ an implicit answer. The question is if that is a good way to= answer. I agree with Timothy that ignoring newcomers' first attempt at= contribution is an effective way to drive people away. Is that worth it in= order to reduce email?
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