From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Ruy Exel Subject: Re: Broken org-mode "Column width and alignment" in latest version Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 16:11:04 -0200 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403043e60ece0fa29055fec3bec" Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50706) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNjbI-0007eN-H0 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 13:11:50 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNjbG-000436-Ko for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 13:11:48 -0500 Received: from mail-wm0-x233.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::233]:44668) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eNjbG-00042K-9W for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 13:11:46 -0500 Received: by mail-wm0-x233.google.com with SMTP id t8so7914837wmc.3 for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2017 10:11:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" To: Kaushal Modi Cc: emacs-org list --f403043e60ece0fa29055fec3bec Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear Kaushal, The real treat is to read your nice message and to be a member of such a fantastic group of people! Following your advice to stick to a stable release I searched for info on how to install it and I found instructions in http://orgmode.org/org.html#Installation telling me to run "M-x package-install RET org RET" from within emacs. I did it and it all looked like everything was running smoothly untill I was issued the messages: WARNING: No org-loaddefs.el file could be found from where org.el is loaded. You need to run "make" or "make autoloads" from Org lisp directory I am used to this since I first tried the cloned git version, but I noticed that there is no Makefile in the directory containing the newly dowloaded files (~/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20171113/), so I got stuck. I noticed that in the above installation instructions it is mentioned that: Important: you need to do this in a session where no .org file has been visited, i.e., where no Org built-in function have been loaded. Otherwise autoload Org functions will mess up the installation. so I repeated the process right after starting emacs with the --no-init-files option, then I added the line "(package-initialize)" to my initialization file but it still does not work, namely the old org-mode is loaded upon starting emacs. It is curious that I now have two org-mode entries in the top Emacs-Info node, one for the old version (7.9.3f) and another one for the new one (9.1.2 (release_9.1.2-37-g3f8d67)). Could I have premanently messed up my emacs installation by not following the above Important advice? Regards, Ruy Exel On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 12:50 AM, Kaushal Modi wrote: > Hello Ruy, > > First of all, thanks for confirming that this worked for you. > > Secondly, no question is a newbie question :) This mailing list is one of > the friendliest mailing lists I've participated in. So don't worry about > upsetting someone, or getting offended. So I am continuing this thread on > the mailing list. > > Feel free to ask any kind of Org question you might have, and there are > many folks here to help you out. > > Further comments are inline below. > > On Fri, Dec 8, 2017, 5:56 PM Ruy Exel wrote: > >> >> > #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE >> > ,#+STARTUP: align shrink >> > #+END_EXAMPLE >> >> Got it! Thanks very much. >> > > You're welcome. > > I am in fact a brand new user of org-mode and 7.9.3f is just the version >> which was dormant in my computer before I updated to the GIT version. >> Sometimes I use it for comparison. >> > > If you are a brand new user, it's my personal opinion that that stick to > the stable release. You get that by cloning the maint branch instead, or > getting org or org-plus-contrib via Org Elpa. > > The master branch isn't unstable, it's perfectly fine as a daily driver, > but some features could be in flux, which could get confusing if you just > started using Org. > > However I noticed that the online manual at (http://orgmode.org/manual/Col >> umn-width-and-alignment.html) is more compatible with that old version >> than the GIT version. >> > > The online version is synced with the stable releases of Org, which I > mentioned above. It's not in sync with the version you think (7.9.3f), but > with the latest stable release 9.1.4 (as of today). > > It just happens that the column shrink feature was recently (few months) > added to the Org master branch. So you don't see its reference in the > online manual. That feature will go out in the next major release of the > stable version.. 9.2. > > Of course I do not expect to have a fully working manual for a changing >> system such as the GIT version, >> > > You're in for a treat here :). This is Emacs, and in my experience the > best way to access the Info manuals. The Info manuals that get built along > with Org are always in sync with the respective versions. > > So, > > Org master > Manuals: Info (synced with Org master) > > Org maint > Manuals: Info, online (synced with Org maint) > > If you haven't used Info manuals, do C-h i h to learn how to use those > from within Emacs. They are vastly better searchable than the online > version. And you always access the correct version of the Org Info manual > from within Emacs. > > but in case the above manual is superseded by some other one, I'd like to >> know where it is. >> > > As above, if using master branch Org, you get the correct version of the > manual from within Emacs. > > PS: I figure this newbie message is not relevant to the folks at >> emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, so I'am not CCing it there anymore. >> > > As I said in the beginning of the email, don't worry. We are all here to > learn and share. > >> -- > > Kaushal Modi > --f403043e60ece0fa29055fec3bec Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Kaushal,

The real treat is to read y= our nice message and to be a member of such a fantastic group of people!
Following your advice to stick to a stable release I searched for info= on how to install it and I found instructions in http://orgmode.org/org.html#Installation te= lling me to run "M-x package-install RET org RET" from within ema= cs.=C2=A0 I did it and it all looked like everything was running smoothly u= ntill I was issued the messages:

WARNING: No org-loadde= fs.el file could be found from where org.el is loaded.=C2=A0 You need to ru= n "make" or "make autoloads" from Org lisp directory

I am used to this since I first tried the cloned git= version, but I noticed that there is no Makefile in the directory containi= ng the newly dowloaded files (~/.emacs.d/elpa/org-20171113/), so I got stuc= k.

I noticed that in the above installation instructions it is menti= oned that:

Important: you need to do this in a session where = no .org file has been visited, i.e., where no Org built-in function have be= en loaded. Otherwise autoload Org functions will mess up the installation.<= br>

so I repeated the process right after starting emacs wi= th the --no-init-files option, then I added the line "(package-initial= ize)" to my initialization file but it still does not work, namely the= old org-mode is loaded upon starting emacs.=C2=A0 It is curious that I now= have two org-mode entries in the top Emacs-Info node, one for the old vers= ion (7.9.3f) and another one for the new one (9.1.2 (release_9.1.2-37-g3f8d= 67)).

Could I have premanently messed up my emacs installation by no= t following the above Important advice?

Regards,
Ruy = Exel

On = Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 12:50 AM, Kaushal Modi <kaushal.modi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Ruy,

First of all, thanks for confirming that this worked for you.

Secondly, no question is a new= bie question :) This mailing list is one of the friendliest mailing lists I= 've participated in. So don't worry about upsetting someone, or get= ting offended. So I am continuing this thread on the mailing list.

Feel free to ask any kind of Org q= uestion you might have, and there are many folks here to help you out.=C2= =A0

Further comments are i= nline below.=C2=A0

<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<= div>
> #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE
> ,#+STARTUP: align shrink
> #+END_EX= AMPLE

Got it!=C2=A0 Tha= nks very much.

You're welcome.=C2=A0

I am in fact a brand new user of org-mode a= nd 7.9.3f is just the version which was dormant in my computer before I upd= ated to the GIT version.=C2=A0 Sometimes I use it for comparison.

If you are a b= rand new user, it's my personal opinion that that stick to the stable r= elease. You get that by cloning the maint branch instead, or getting org or= org-plus-contrib via Org Elpa.

The master branch = isn't unstable, it's perfectly fine as a daily driver, but some fea= tures could be in flux, which could get confusing if you just started using= Org.

However I noticed that the online manual at (http://orgmode.org/manual/Column-width-and-alignment.html) is more compatible with that old version than t= he GIT version.

<= /span>
The online version is synced with the stable releases of Org, wh= ich I mentioned above. It's not in sync with the version you think (7.9= .3f), but with the latest stable release 9.1.4 (as of today).=C2=A0

It just happens that the column shrink feature was recent= ly (few months) added to the Org master branch. So you don't see its re= ference in the online manual. That feature will go out in the next major re= lease of the stable version.. 9.2.=C2=A0

Of=C2=A0course I do not expect to have a fully working manual for a = changing system such as the GIT version,

You're in for a treat here :). This= is Emacs, and in my experience the best way to access the Info manuals.=C2= =A0 The Info manuals that get built along with Org are always in sync with = the respective versions.=C2=A0

So,

<= /div>
Org master > Manuals: Info (synced with Org master)
=
Org maint > Manuals: Info, online (synced with Org maint)=

If you haven't used Info manuals, do C-h i h = to learn how to use those from within Emacs. They are vastly better searcha= ble than the online version. And you always access the correct version of t= he Org Info manual from within Emacs.=C2=A0

=
but in case the above manua= l is superseded by some other one, I'd like to know where it is.=

As above, i= f using master branch Org, you get the correct version of the manual from w= ithin Emacs.=C2=A0

PS:=C2=A0 I figure this newbie message is not relevan= t to the folks at emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, so I'am not CCing it there anymore.
=

As I said in the beginn= ing of the email, don't worry. We are all here to learn and share.=C2= =A0
--

Kaushal Modi


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