From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Grant Rettke Subject: Re: org-ref in action Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:49:33 -0500 Message-ID: References: <87wqc4wxbe.fsf@gmail.com> <87fvisbhnb.fsf@fastmail.fm> <87vbrnu5k5.fsf@fastmail.fm> <8761jnu44l.fsf@fastmail.fm> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50567) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X0YPM-0005ne-Lh for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 11:49:49 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X0YPK-0005Lw-93 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 11:49:48 -0400 Received: from mail-oa0-x22b.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c02::22b]:56822) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X0YPK-0005Lg-3M for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 11:49:46 -0400 Received: by mail-oa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id o6so5857198oag.30 for ; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 08:49:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <8761jnu44l.fsf@fastmail.fm> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Matt Lundin Cc: Fabrice Popineau , "emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" , Eric Schulte , John Kitchin Thanks for your answer on that everybody. My apologies for my poor grammar asking where "people discuss such questions in real life". What I really had wanted to say, what I meant, was that I was wondering what professions utilize such workflows and where they discuss it primarily because the topic does go beyond LaTeX alone. My usage of such a workflow is pretty lightweight, and I've never had anyone to talk to about it because in my field generally no one cites their references. Grant Rettke | ACM, ASA, FSF, IEEE, SIAM gcr@wisdomandwonder.com | http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/ =E2=80=9CWisdom begins in wonder.=E2=80=9D --Socrates ((=CE=BB (x) (x x)) (=CE=BB (x) (x x))) =E2=80=9CLife has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to st= op taking it seriously.=E2=80=9D --Thompson On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Matt Lundin wrote: > Grant Rettke writes: > >> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Matt Lundin wrote: >>> I think the key in any possible feature merge is to remember citation >>> management is idiosyncratic. >> >> Off topic: >> >> How do people choose today? >> >> Why choose bibtex over biblatex? > > Thanks to inertia, bibtex still has a number of users in the sciences, > since it was originally designed for scientific citations. In the > humanities, however, bibtex is a non-starter, since biblatex offers much > more flexibility. The good news is that bibtex and biblatex use the same > database format, so it's easy to transition from bibtex to biblatex. > However, there are other options, such as CSL.[1] > >> Where do people discuss such questions like this in real life? > > I'm not sure I understand your question. Could you clarify? > > I simply meant that everyone will have a different workflow/system for > storing and managing citations. E.g., some will prefer to store > bibliographical data in a zotero database, others in a single bib file, > others in multiple bib files, others as properties in org headlines, > etc. > > I think one can make a conception distinction here between citation > management (i.e., how one stores bibliographical data) and citation > processing (i.e., the software one uses to export that data to some > output format). There are many, many formats (mods, bib, etc.) and tools > (biber, bibtex, csl/citeproc, etc.) for formatting bibliographical data. > > In an ideal world, one should be able to 1) process bibliographical data > from multiple formats; 2) choose from hundreds of citation styles; and > 3) format citations for multiple backends. I am not suggesting that > org-mode should directly support all these things, but its default > methods of handling citations should not get in the way of using > external tools that provide such flexibility. > > For instance, pandoc (an immensely impressive piece of software!) > accepts bibliographical data from numerous sources and processes it for > multiple outputs (html, plain text, docx, rtf, etc.). By contrast, > ox-bibtex.el runs citations through bibtex2html, which is pretty much > limited to the "old-fashioned" bibtex formats. Ironically, ox-bibtex.el > invokes pandoc to convert from html to plain text, but only after it has > already used bibtex2html to process the data. > > Best, > Matt > > Footnotes: > > [1] Citation Style Language - http://citationstyles.org/