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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1656369985; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=cmRR4u27Ick6kildPB/ePr0y38iA4OyMg0F+bjpGoOs=; b=XfakXqAfXeu8gLxIm2M9TRWT642P2XOd3SnPaXNv2N9toassUz5Swz0oTNlYbYcwfxp/Lx PorsxWDphJQYMZpv2eZsrCUccW2eo3sHJ5pD+Y4kSLdpi8scjV5x9wFRjPFuTV98icXcbQ UPTbuv79U0yC33dvurs/Y4TlkIOYrNnBdjPbF/EfG87ZBWBGZH+7rtwikvSV7A5nw19HZQ B5hs6Cbjk3dRnORhgDATBvsBgFCIm4FvsjNfRnjof1i+zs7FOuAhfceMxxl/cuy5+mzUkD Pq9LOlAIwPiDkZ1XDqB9U9QlYiWOeLJLJo0WQ7jEHmcYTpNEPXam+8qJr1K50A== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1656369985; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=h6MoLXiKUljDYZHgaSkwurrFFmeG4rp7cJ1mABnrzOy1Z411mvAW68UMZJ0Ye7ov0Fyib6 vN23MS40rZ8KJlGJGdu6PeX2fl8Wyo5WzJtpTgadINPEyGiCbCjujaKyF+reHcPyF52iN3 Usd2w1sN0v/Az9pUo4Q+0VtrI6Hyd5B/V7LJhCUzgyRI8WeUaGk5SmioC5OTW5ISpl4YA/ CHGZvy/vIpMSEqAzOgGDe3xT6c7wuKBtfCFiEp3dtCWV14AhhVbCD2QXw4g4XbtX0oDzwc strpU/f1kPBHYGC+E5OzLq8wm0M9FkaSoQLWfOBfZ1lrRyqIYIvArpsuMw5kYA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=Z02UafpF; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.95 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=Z02UafpF; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4207913F0 X-Spam-Score: -5.95 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: cwBjCedqBTMi > GNU packages should not steer people towards running nonfree software. > As a consequence, they should not suggest people donate using payment services > that _require_ the donor to run a nonfree program. A slight variant of Ihor's question. While GNU packages should not steer people toward nonfree software, I assume that there is nothing that prohibits GNU contributors from accepting donations via non-free systems. This thread suggests that it is no other option if devs also do not want to steer people toward cryptocurrencies (which some consider to be as ethically important as not steering people toward nonfree software). My question is whether the website for a GNU package can include links to the websites of individual developers with a note that you can provide financial support to the project by supporting individuals. In the end the user still winds up using nonfree JS, but is GNU living up to its principles by virtue of the extra layer of indirection? Given that https://www.fsf.org/about/ways-to-donate/ does include paypal as an option, with a disclaimer, is a disclaimer not a sufficient solution for GNU packages as well?