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Mon, 14 Aug 2023 00:48:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87o7omg4ie.fsf@alphaville.usersys.redhat.com> <87pm91ngb8.fsf@localhost> <87jzz8f3re.fsf@alphaville.usersys.redhat.com> <87mt43agk6.fsf@localhost> <874jq8ohbr.fsf@localhost> <87bkfip3mo.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0odrkbp.fsf@localhost> <875y5pvf04.fsf@bzg.fr> <87bkfdud55.fsf@localhost> <87cyzswhqn.fsf@bzg.fr> In-Reply-To: <87cyzswhqn.fsf@bzg.fr> From: Tom Gillespie Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 00:48:31 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [POLL] Should we accept breaking changes to get rid of Org libraries that perform side effects when loading? To: Bastien Guerry Cc: Ihor Radchenko , Max Nikulin , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::236; envelope-from=tgbugs@gmail.com; helo=mail-oi1-x236.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -5.60 X-Spam-Score: -5.60 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: B2A1935E45 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx2.migadu.com X-TUID: SftJz69l56Vf > Same here, I'd be tempted to deny Org citizenship to inline tasks: it > always felt like a nice hack for a niche use-case, but a hack anyway. > > If it modifies Org syntax in surprising ways, this is another argument > for removing org-inlinetask.el from Org's core. Remember: this is not > to say that inline tasks are forbidden, it's just a message for users > that inline tasks are something not maintained by Org's core team. > > > And it is not clear how to fix this. We did not make inlinetasks into > > standard Org syntax in the past and now it is in the weird state when we > > have (featurep 'org-inlinetask) sprinkled across the code just to > > accommodate for this conditional syntax. > > Yes, this is ugly. > > > Inlinetasks are too similar in syntax with headlines, so it is > > impossible to make the change backwards-compatible. Chiming in here to say that inline tasks make it exceptionally annoying to specify a sane grammar for org because they require putting a special case in the headline tokenizer, and/or making it possible to toggle the behavior of the tokenizer. As such I strongly support removing them from any official status in the name of simplifying the syntax (among other things).