From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Marcelo de Moraes Serpa Subject: Re: Org as a publishing toolkit Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:39:17 -0500 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:45097) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QJueG-0002k3-OD for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2011 17:39:21 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QJueF-0000WA-1R for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2011 17:39:20 -0400 Received: from mail-bw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41]:44791) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QJueE-0000Vk-Ng for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 10 May 2011 17:39:18 -0400 Received: by bwz17 with SMTP id 17so6712113bwz.0 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 14:39:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: "Thomas S. Dye" Cc: Org Mode Cool, I will do! But org doesn't impose some structure that might prevent me from putting the cover in the first page? Just curious. I wouldn't also like to have to edit the latex generated afterwards, but that's a possibility. Thanks! Marcelo. On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Thomas S. Dye wrote: > Aloha Marcelo, > > Others might do this differently, but I don't use LaTeX for book > covers. =A0I only use it for the pages of the book. > > It sounds like your cover image is floating, which is something that > LaTeX does with tables and images. =A0If you are new to LaTeX and don't > have a feel for how it handles "floats", then I recommend an > introductory text. =A0Leslie Lamport's book is terrific, but there are > other good introductions on the Internet. > > Org-mode and its LaTeX exporter are *not* going to insulate you from the > need to learn some LaTeX, especially if you intend to write something as > complex as a book. > > hth, > Tom > > Marcelo de Moraes Serpa writes: > >> Thomas, >> >> I have a more specific question. I have already managed to embed an >> image to act as the cover of the book. However, the image is being >> shown in the third page. I want the sequence to be like this: >> >> 1) Cover image >> 2) The sub-cover: >> >> =A0 =A0"Title"" >> =A0My Name >> =A0 =A0Date >> >> 3) TOC >> >> 4) Intro, chapters... >> >> How could I do that? >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Regards, >> >> Marcelo. >> >> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Thomas S. Dye wrote: >>> Aloha Marcelo, >>> >>> The approach I would take here, which might not be what you want, would >>> be to use inline markup: >>> >>> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-latex-export.html#sec-10_3 >>> >>> You would define the output for the various exporters in the link >>> definition, with something fancy for LaTeX and whatever else works in >>> the other export formats you care to support. >>> >>> All the best, >>> Tom >>> >>> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa writes: >>> >>>> Cool! Thanks. >>>> >>>> Now that you mention it, I was wondering if something like "condition >>>> export" is possible. For very specific localized LaTeX fetures, it >>>> would be useful. Take this example: >>>> >>>> #+LaTeX_HEADER: \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} >>>> >>>> #+LaTeX:\yinipar{\color{red}H}ello World >>>> >>>> This created a first-letter that is stylized differently. This won't >>>> come out in any other exported, so I'd like to do something like >>>> (NOTE: pseudo-code!) >>>> >>>> #+LaTeX:\yinipar{\color{red}H}ello World >>>> >>>> #iif not LaTeX >>>> =A0 =A0Hello World >>>> #end >>>> >>>> If it is not possible what I can do is to pre-process the orgfile with >>>> something like ERB (I'm familiar with Ruby) or another templating >>>> language before exporting (and even automate it all by calling emacs >>>> in batch mode ;) ), but it'd be nice if org supported that >>>> out-of-the-box. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Marcelo. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Thomas S. Dye wrote: >>>>> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa writes: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi list, >>>>>> >>>>>> So today I have been reseaching about higher-levels toolkits that >>>>>> could help me get into TeX (and or LaTeX) and at the same time >>>>>> allowing me to keep the text in a more human-readable format (easier >>>>>> to mantain and to convert to other formats if needed). >>>>>> >>>>>> I know that if I want beautiful formatted PDFs I will need to get in= to >>>>>> TeX / LaTeX, and I already started doing that, but as I said, keepin= g >>>>>> the text in a higher level format has benefits that you already know >>>>>> about. >>>>>> >>>>>> So I looked at asciidoc, the lower-level XML-based docbook, markdown= , >>>>>> pandoc, ConTeXt, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then I thought, why not try orgmode? >>>>>> >>>>>> So, after reading this article: >>>>>> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-latex-export.html, I've th= en >>>>>> realized how powerful the org-export feature is. >>>>>> >>>>>> I can basically do this: >>>>>> =A0* Keep the text in a (very) human readable format that I'm used t= o >>>>>> and that is much better to maintain than any other format I know >>>>>> (markdown / asciidoc) and integrated with my own orgmode personal >>>>>> information manager! >>>>>> =A0* Add / customize the LaTeX output in *ANY* way I want to. Thanks= to >>>>>> org AND babel! From what I can see, there are no limitations on how >>>>>> complex the LaTeX customizations can be, it can essentially match up >>>>>> any other "pure" latex documents out there. >>>>>> =A0* As noted above, fully support LaTeX while still allowing me to = export to: >>>>>> =A0 =A0* plaintext >>>>>> =A0 =A0* HTML >>>>>> =A0 =A0* DocBook (and hence an array of other formats) >>>>>> >>>>>> I mean, how cool is that? I'm only starting in TeX/LaTeX so I might = be >>>>>> overlooking some limitations, but from what I can see, orgmode is th= e >>>>>> most pragmatic and powerful publishing framework I have ever come to >>>>>> know. >>>>>> >>>>>> And what excites me even more is that I can keep my book in my >>>>>> preferred format and still output a beautifully-formatted PDF book >>>>>> *and* still support other formats (such as mobi or epub through >>>>>> docbook). Amazing! >>>>>> >>>>>> By the way, if I want to use raw TeX or maybe ConTeXt, is it possibl= e? >>>>>> Not that I need, only curious :) >>>>>> >>>>>> This needs more hype! I don't think people realize how powerful this= is ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers! >>>>>> >>>>>> Marcelo. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Aloha Marcelo, >>>>> >>>>> The LaTeX export tutorial is a work in progress. =A0I hope you find i= t >>>>> useful. =A0When you run across something that doesn't work (or make s= ense) >>>>> don't hesitate to come back to the list with a query or suggestion. >>>>> >>>>> All the best, >>>>> Tom >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thomas S. Dye >>>>> http://www.tsdye.com >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thomas S. Dye >>> http://www.tsdye.com >>> >> > > -- > Thomas S. Dye > http://www.tsdye.com >