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[24.197.47.106]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 185sm6076904qke.92.2020.06.12.19.45.04 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Jun 2020 19:45:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Devin Prater Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FD4D5096-DC4E-44B8-9A7D-EA1334B4C2AE" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Subject: Re: Get Grades Done: the joys of Org's simple power Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 21:45:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: Phil Regier References: <7F2E7FFF-5676-4A11-8E8E-021FC59C01CB@gmail.com> <20200611032239.GN23478@volibear> <50B6904D-1D1E-43E2-AF09-F1BD49010469@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::82f; envelope-from=r.d.t.prater@gmail.com; helo=mail-qt1-x82f.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=flyomsOI; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.21 X-TUID: nQYKLx7wrils --Apple-Mail=_FD4D5096-DC4E-44B8-9A7D-EA1334B4C2AE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Yeah, I was hoping to just have an HTML page or something that could be = put on Github or just sent in an email attachment, where checking = checkboxes would update the fraction cookie. > On Jun 12, 2020, at 9:17 PM, Phil Regier = wrote: >=20 > Oh, my. I would not have imagined that setting up Emacspeak could be = so complicated. Was your initial thought that if you could export the = mechanisms in your assignment to interactive HTML (of whatever form) = then you could let the browsers and their various accessibility APIs (of = which I should confess right now I have almost no knowledge) to present = that interactive content in whatever way the consumer of said content = has requested? >=20 > I'm far from being an expert, but I've spent my share of time hacking = around and I think there are a variety of ways that one could embed = something like JavaScript (I know, not an ideal choice of languages) in = a variety of ways at several stages in the composition-to-export process = that could render the output "live" if it was sufficiently simple. And = while I'm especially bad at this part, a long time ago I had limited = success wrapping some transformations in lisp within Org-mode and I've = seen others perform similar trickery with greater success. >=20 >=20 > On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 6:22 PM Devin Prater > wrote: > Well, some teachers are blind, which means Emacspeak, and Spacemax = does have visual stuff, so Emacspeak may not work well with that. I=E2=80=99= ll have to try Doom Emacs though, maybe that=E2=80=99ll work better. The = bigger problem though, is that Emacspeak relies on speech servers, and = the one for Windows hasn=E2=80=99t been updated in=E2=80=A6 quite a = while. I just want not only myself and technically inclined sighted = teachers to be able to access this, plus its good to have accessible = teaching tools no matter what, because you never know when another blind = person may want to use it later on. >=20 >> On Jun 12, 2020, at 6:23 PM, Phil Regier > wrote: >>=20 >> A friend showed me Org-mode running in spacemacs a few years back, = and I was pretty impressed with how well it seemed to be working, though = I haven't messed with it much myself. Especially not sure how much = sugar it offers as far as sharing a particular experience with new = users, but at the very least you should be able to include basic usage = instructions within the Org file? >>=20 >> On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:56 PM George Mauer > wrote: >> You know...I believe some people have gotten emacs running in = browser... You could do it by compiling it to wasm. So in theory you = could create a completely in-browser emacs which is optimized primarily = for org mode usage. >>=20 >> Would be kind of an awesome thing for someone to tackle as it would = greatly increase the reach of org. Not easy though. Could probably be a = whole thesis project. >>=20 >> Not sure how well it would work with screen readers and other = accessibility tech though. That would be even more work >>=20 >> On Wed, Jun 10, 2020, 10:24 PM Russell Adams = > wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 03:38:43PM -0500, Devin Prater wrote: >> > Now, I do wish I could share these =E2=80=9Cself-grading=E2=80=9D = performance tests with >> > others. I=E2=80=99ve tried exporting one to HTML, but the grade = doesn=E2=80=99t seem to update >> > automatically like it does in Org-mode. >>=20 >> Unfortunately updating the count is performed by a hook in Org when = you use C-c >> C-c to check/uncheck a box. That information is static in the text, = and static >> in html. >>=20 >> I'm not aware of a built-in way to handle that case. Sorry. >>=20 >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Russell Adams RLAdams@AdamsInfoServ.com = >>=20 >> PGP Key ID: 0x1160DCB3 http://www.adamsinfoserv.com/ = >>=20 >> Fingerprint: 1723 D8CA 4280 1EC9 557F 66E8 1154 E018 1160 DCB3 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_FD4D5096-DC4E-44B8-9A7D-EA1334B4C2AE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Yeah,= I was hoping to just have an HTML page or something that could be put = on Github or just sent in an email attachment, where checking checkboxes = would update the fraction cookie.

On Jun = 12, 2020, at 9:17 PM, Phil Regier <phil.regier@gmail.com> wrote:

Oh, my.  I would not have imagined that setting up = Emacspeak could be so complicated.  Was your initial thought that = if you could export the mechanisms in your assignment to interactive = HTML (of whatever form) then you could let the browsers and their = various accessibility APIs (of which I should confess right now I have = almost no knowledge) to present that interactive content in = whatever way the consumer of said content has requested?

I'm far from being an = expert, but I've spent my share of time hacking around and I think there = are a variety of ways that one could embed something like JavaScript (I = know, not an ideal choice of languages) in a variety of ways at several = stages in the composition-to-export process that could render the output = "live" if it was sufficiently simple.  And while I'm especially bad = at this part, a long time ago I had limited success wrapping some = transformations in lisp within Org-mode and I've seen others perform = similar trickery with greater success.


On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 6:22 PM Devin = Prater <r.d.t.prater@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, some teachers are blind, which means = Emacspeak, and Spacemax does have visual stuff, so Emacspeak may not = work well with that. I=E2=80=99ll have to try Doom Emacs though, maybe = that=E2=80=99ll work better. The bigger problem though, is that = Emacspeak relies on speech servers, and the one for Windows hasn=E2=80=99t= been updated in=E2=80=A6 quite a while. I just want not only myself and = technically inclined sighted teachers to be able to access this, plus = its good to have accessible teaching tools no matter what, because you = never know when another blind person may want to use it later on.

On Jun 12, 2020, at 6:23 PM, Phil Regier = <phil.regier@gmail.com> wrote:

A friend showed me Org-mode = running in spacemacs a few years back, and I was pretty impressed with = how well it seemed to be working, though I haven't messed with it much = myself.  Especially not sure how much sugar it offers as far as = sharing a particular experience with new users, but at the very least = you should be able to include basic usage instructions within the Org = file?

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 9:56 PM George Mauer <gmauer@gmail.com> wrote:
You = know...I believe some people have gotten emacs running in browser... You = could do it by compiling it to wasm. So in theory you could create a = completely in-browser emacs which is optimized primarily for org mode = usage.

Would be kind of an awesome thing for someone to tackle as it = would greatly increase the reach of org. Not easy though. Could probably = be a whole thesis project.

Not sure how well it would = work with screen readers and other accessibility tech though. That would = be even more work

On Wed, Jun = 10, 2020, 10:24 PM Russell Adams <RLAdams@adamsinfoserv.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 03:38:43PM = -0500, Devin Prater wrote:
> Now, I do wish I could share these =E2=80=9Cself-grading=E2=80=9D = performance tests with
> others. I=E2=80=99ve tried exporting one to HTML, but the grade = doesn=E2=80=99t seem to update
> automatically like it does in Org-mode.

Unfortunately updating the count is performed by a hook in Org when you = use C-c
C-c to check/uncheck a box. That information is static in the text, and = static
in html.

I'm not aware of a built-in way to handle that case. Sorry.
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