From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Dov Grobgeld Subject: org-mode and htmlslidy Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:48:14 +0200 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1520163579==" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=57284 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PGWZc-0005BY-IO for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 07:48:18 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGWZb-0002o5-EQ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 07:48:16 -0500 Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:53065) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGWZb-0002nn-9R for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 07:48:15 -0500 Received: by qwi2 with SMTP id 2so1942128qwi.0 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 04:48:14 -0800 (PST) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============1520163579== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364ef3222620410494c66361 --0016364ef3222620410494c66361 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I have so far checked the following and found that they have serious problems: - epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. - org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long slides I would like to scroll Looking around the net I found the following javascript that seems that it could do the job: http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/Slidy2/#%283%29 How difficult would it be to connect it to org-mode? Am I right that it would simply be a relatively small rewrite of org-s5.el? Regards, Dov --0016364ef3222620410494c66361 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-= mode I have so far checked the following and found that they have serious p= roblems:
  • epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over d= isplay.
  • org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long sli= des I would like to scroll
Looking around the net I found the foll= owing javascript that seems that it could do the job:

http://www.w3.org/Talks/Tools/S= lidy2/#%283%29

How difficult would it be to connect it to org-mode? Am I right that it= would simply be a relatively small rewrite of org-s5.el?

Regards,Dov

--0016364ef3222620410494c66361-- --===============1520163579== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode --===============1520163579==-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Christian Moe Subject: Re: org-mode and htmlslidy Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:08:14 +0100 Message-ID: <4CDBEABE.6040104@christianmoe.com> References: Reply-To: mail@christianmoe.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=48318 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PGWrb-0006Fa-Tw for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:06:52 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGWrb-0007jf-0H for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:06:51 -0500 Received: from mars.hitrost.net ([91.185.193.39]:45376) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGWra-0007Rm-Ou for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:06:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Dov Grobgeld Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On 11/11/10 1:48 PM, Dov Grobgeld wrote: > * org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a > long slides I would like to scroll You can toggle s5 between slide view and ordinary web page view in the midst of a presentation. This also helps the audience realize that you're using something /way/ cooler than Powerpoint... :) Yours, Christian From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Dov Grobgeld Subject: Re: org-mode and htmlslidy Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:15:30 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4CDBEABE.6040104@christianmoe.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1787045969==" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41154 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PGX00-0002Sy-OY for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:15:33 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGWzz-0001pU-Jj for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:15:32 -0500 Received: from mail-vw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.212.41]:46934) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGWzz-0001pN-F8 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:15:31 -0500 Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so222255vws.0 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 05:15:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4CDBEABE.6040104@christianmoe.com> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: mail@christianmoe.com Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============1787045969== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367fbb7cacc0570494c6c48d --0016367fbb7cacc0570494c6c48d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks. Didn't know that. But it seems like you are then placed in the beginning of the html-page and have to search for the position of the slide that you were at. Not something that you are likely to want to do in the middle of a presentation. (This might make the audience long for PowerPoint...) Regards, Dov On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:08, Christian Moe wrote: > On 11/11/10 1:48 PM, Dov Grobgeld wrote: > > * org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a >> >> long slides I would like to scroll >> > > You can toggle s5 between slide view and ordinary web page view in the > midst of a presentation. > > This also helps the audience realize that you're using something /way/ > cooler than Powerpoint... > :) > > Yours, > Christian > > --0016367fbb7cacc0570494c6c48d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks. Didn't know that. But it seems like you are th= en placed in the beginning of the html-page and have to search for the posi= tion of the slide that you were at. Not something that you are likely to wa= nt to do in the middle of a presentation. (This might make the audience lon= g for PowerPoint...)

Regards,
Dov

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 = at 15:08, Christian Moe <mail@christianmoe.com> wrote:
On 11/11/10 1:48 PM, Dov Grobgeld wrote:

=A0 =A0* org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a
=A0 =A0 =A0long slides I would like to scroll

You can toggle s5 between slide view and ordinary web page view in the mids= t of a presentation.

This also helps the audience realize that you're using something /way/ = cooler than Powerpoint...
:)

Yours,
Christian


--0016367fbb7cacc0570494c6c48d-- --===============1787045969== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode --===============1787045969==-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Hendy Subject: Re: org-mode and htmlslidy Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 07:17:22 -0600 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1874069799==" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=42383 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PGX1p-0003cg-Qe for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:17:26 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGX1o-0002HL-As for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:17:25 -0500 Received: from mail-bw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41]:65078) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGX1o-0002Gl-5v for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:17:24 -0500 Received: by bwz16 with SMTP id 16so1993273bwz.0 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 05:17:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Dov Grobgeld Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============1874069799== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7efdc5683cb0494c6cb33 --0016e6d7efdc5683cb0494c6cb33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld wrote: > In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I have so > far checked the following and found that they have serious problems: > > - epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. > - org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long > slides I would like to scroll > > What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the occasional obscure code to force it to do my will! You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things during presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/ John --0016e6d7efdc5683cb0494c6cb33 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Gro= bgeld <dov.g= robgeld@gmail.com> wrote:
In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-= mode I have so far checked the following and found that they have serious p= roblems:
  • epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over d= isplay.
  • org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long sli= des I would like to scroll
What about beam= er? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It just seems to d= o about everything... even if that means hunting down the occasional obscur= e code to force it to do my will!

You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantast= ic things during presentations:=A0http://impressive.sourceforge.net/


<= /div>
John
--0016e6d7efdc5683cb0494c6cb33-- --===============1874069799== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode --===============1874069799==-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Dov Grobgeld Subject: Re: org-mode and htmlslidy Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:25:11 +0200 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2102808775==" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=39313 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PGX9P-0007uy-FY for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:25:18 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGX9M-000494-UJ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:25:15 -0500 Received: from mail-vw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.212.41]:57446) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGX9M-00048l-Rb for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:25:12 -0500 Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so227557vws.0 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 05:25:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: John Hendy Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============2102808775== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016368322e64f7bd10494c6e745 --0016368322e64f7bd10494c6e745 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Does beamer and impressive support scrolling? I assume not as beamer is LaTeX based which also uses fixed paper size. The paradigm of fixed size slides is imho a remnant from a time when slides were "hardware" and placed on a overhead projector. I see no reason why shouldn't be able to scroll a long slide during a presentation if you can't fit it all on a single screen full. Regards, Dov On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:17, John Hendy wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld wrote: > >> In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I have so >> far checked the following and found that they have serious problems: >> >> - epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. >> - org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long >> slides I would like to scroll >> >> What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It > just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the > occasional obscure code to force it to do my will! > > You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things during > presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/ > > > John > --0016368322e64f7bd10494c6e745 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Does beamer and impressive support scrolling? I assume not= as beamer is LaTeX based which also uses fixed paper size. The paradigm of= fixed size slides is imho a remnant from a time when slides were "ha= rdware" and placed on a overhead projector. I see no reason why should= n't be able to scroll a long slide during a presentation if you can= 9;t fit it all on a single screen full.

Regards,
Dov

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 = at 15:17, John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> wrote:


On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 a= t 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld <dov.grobgeld@gmail.com> wrote:=
In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-= mode I have so far checked the following and found that they have serious p= roblems:
  • epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over d= isplay.
  • org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long sli= des I would like to scroll
What abou= t beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It just seem= s to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the occasional = obscure code to force it to do my will!

You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantast= ic things during presentations:=A0http://impressive.sourceforge.net/

John

--0016368322e64f7bd10494c6e745-- --===============2102808775== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode --===============2102808775==-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Hendy Subject: Re: org-mode and htmlslidy Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 07:38:18 -0600 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1515843809==" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=51578 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PGXM6-0007cC-V1 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:38:24 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGXM5-0000MX-HL for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:38:22 -0500 Received: from mail-fx0-f41.google.com ([209.85.161.41]:40564) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGXM5-0000MF-6y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:38:21 -0500 Received: by fxm20 with SMTP id 20so1316990fxm.0 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 05:38:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Dov Grobgeld Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============1515843809== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363b983e372c8d0494c716e2 --0016363b983e372c8d0494c716e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Dov Grobgeld wrote: > Does beamer and impressive support scrolling? I assume not as beamer is > LaTeX based which also uses fixed paper size. The paradigm of fixed size > slides is imho a remnant from a time when slides were "hardware" and placed > on a overhead projector. I see no reason why shouldn't be able to scroll a > long slide during a presentation if you can't fit it all on a single screen > full. > > Hmmm. Not on LInux right now -- I'll have to check. I know it zooms in on an area but not sure how it would handle a bigger-than-full-screen slide. My guess is that it would scale it to fit the page which would obviously not be what you want. What about prezi, then? No orgmode integration but seems to be the least "powerpoint-ish" and reminiscent of the "olden days"? http://prezi.com/ John > Regards, > Dov > > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:17, John Hendy wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld wrote: >> >>> In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I have so >>> far checked the following and found that they have serious problems: >>> >>> - epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. >>> - org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long >>> slides I would like to scroll >>> >>> What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It >> just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the >> occasional obscure code to force it to do my will! >> >> You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things during >> presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/ >> >> >> John >> > > --0016363b983e372c8d0494c716e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Dov Gro= bgeld <dov.g= robgeld@gmail.com> wrote:
Does beamer and impressive support scrolling? I assume not= as beamer is LaTeX based which also uses fixed paper size. The paradigm of= fixed size slides is imho a remnant from a time when slides were "ha= rdware" and placed on a overhead projector. I see no reason why should= n't be able to scroll a long slide during a presentation if you can= 9;t fit it all on a single screen full.


Hmmm. Not on LInux right now -- = I'll have to check. I know it zooms in on an area but not sure how it w= ould handle a bigger-than-full-screen slide. My guess is that it would scal= e it to fit the page which would obviously not be what you want.

What about prezi, then? No orgmode integration but seem= s to be the least "powerpoint-ish" and reminiscent of the "o= lden days"?=A0http://prezi.com/


John
=A0
Regards,
Dov


On Thu, Nov= 11, 2010 at 15:17, John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>


On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Do= v Grobgeld <dov.grobgeld@gmail.com> wrote:
In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-= mode I have so far checked the following and found that they have serious p= roblems:
  • epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over d= isplay.
  • org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long sli= des I would like to scroll
What abou= t beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It just seem= s to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the occasional = obscure code to force it to do my will!

You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantast= ic things during presentations:=A0http://impressive.sourceforge.net/

John


--0016363b983e372c8d0494c716e2-- --===============1515843809== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode --===============1515843809==-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Eric S Fraga Subject: Re: org-mode and htmlslidy Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:55:50 +0000 Message-ID: <87wrok0xsp.fsf@pinto.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=53852 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PGXdC-0000DM-Vx for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:56:03 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGXdC-0004n1-0Y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:56:02 -0500 Received: from vscani-d.ucl.ac.uk ([144.82.108.132]:45356) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGXdB-0004mV-Sb for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 08:56:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Dov Grobgeld's message of "Thu, 11 Nov 2010 15:25:11 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Dov Grobgeld Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Dov Grobgeld writes: > Does beamer and impressive support scrolling? I assume not as beamer > is LaTeX based which also uses fixed paper size. The paradigm of fixed > size slides is imho a remnant from a time when slides were "hardware" > and placed on a overhead projector. I see no reason why shouldn't be > able to scroll a long slide during a presentation if you can't fit it > all on a single screen full. I don't believe beamer supports scrolling. However, it does support automatic breaking of pages into multiple slides and, arguably (;-), having to scroll a slide is disruptive... -- : Eric S Fraga (GnuPG: 0xC89193D8FFFCF67D) in Emacs 23.2.1 : using Org-mode version 7.3 (release_7.3.49.g0239) From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Dov Grobgeld Subject: Re: org-mode and htmlslidy Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:04:56 +0200 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0444193280==" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=36368 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PGXlr-0003tz-KB for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:05:00 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGXlq-0006wn-7K for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:04:59 -0500 Received: from mail-vw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.212.41]:45797) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGXlq-0006wg-3o for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:04:58 -0500 Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so253328vws.0 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 06:04:57 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: John Hendy Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============0444193280== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636aa2bfc69d05d0494c775ae --001636aa2bfc69d05d0494c775ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:38, John Hendy wrote: > > What about prezi, then? No orgmode integration but seems to be the least > "powerpoint-ish" and reminiscent of the "olden days"? http://prezi.com/ > You've got any idea of how to conceptually map a orgmode document into the non-linear mode of prezi? It certainly supports scrolling, though. Dov > > > John > > >> Regards, >> Dov >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:17, John Hendy wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld wrote: >>> >>>> In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I have so >>>> far checked the following and found that they have serious problems: >>>> >>>> - epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. >>>> - org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a >>>> long slides I would like to scroll >>>> >>>> What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It >>> just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the >>> occasional obscure code to force it to do my will! >>> >>> You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things during >>> presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/ >>> >>> >>> John >>> >> >> > --001636aa2bfc69d05d0494c775ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:38, John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> wrote:

What about prezi, then? No o= rgmode integration but seems to be the least "powerpoint-ish" and= reminiscent of the "olden days"?=A0http://prezi.com/

You've got any idea of how to conceptually = map a orgmode document into the non-linear mode of prezi?=A0 It certainly s= upports scrolling, though.

Dov


John
=A0
Regards,
Dov


On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at = 15:17, John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> wrote:


On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Do= v Grobgeld <dov.grobgeld@gmail.com> wrote:
In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-= mode I have so far checked the following and found that they have serious p= roblems:
  • epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over d= isplay.
  • org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long sli= des I would like to scroll
What abou= t beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It just seem= s to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the occasional = obscure code to force it to do my will!

You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantast= ic things during presentations:=A0http://impressive.sourceforge.net/

John



--001636aa2bfc69d05d0494c775ae-- --===============0444193280== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode --===============0444193280==-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: John Hendy Subject: Re: org-mode and htmlslidy Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:02:26 -0600 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0604010849==" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=52726 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PGYfa-0002ML-W3 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:02:36 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGYfV-0003gB-CC for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:02:34 -0500 Received: from mail-gx0-f169.google.com ([209.85.161.169]:64430) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGYfV-0003g7-68 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:02:29 -0500 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22so357695gxk.0 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 07:02:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Dov Grobgeld Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============0604010849== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5b3c72c53970494c84313 --001636c5b3c72c53970494c84313 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dov Grobgeld wrote: > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:38, John Hendy wrote: > >> >> What about prezi, then? No orgmode integration but seems to be the least >> "powerpoint-ish" and reminiscent of the "olden days"? http://prezi.com/ >> > > You've got any idea of how to conceptually map a orgmode document into the > non-linear mode of prezi? It certainly supports scrolling, though. > Not really! Though I wouldn't be surprised if most people use prezi more for the animations/transitions/uniqueness than really using the non-linearity. Does that make sense? As in, I know you can go to "slide 1" (or zoom in on some area as your "slide 1"), move on to some other things and then quickly whip back to slide 1 as you say, "Now, remember this information I spoke of earlier? Let's look at how that's affected by what I just referred to" or something like that. I guess I'm taking "non-linear" to mean how you navigate through the information, not solely the fact that prezi is on a huge canvas and thus not a sequence (linear) of slides. If you just mean the ability to revisit things... I think there should definitely be a way to put your presentation together in advance so you revisit various things and make the appearance of non-linearity. But it will still be fullscreen slides showing one after another, not twirling and whirling around a canvas. > > Dov > >> >> >> John >> >> >>> Regards, >>> Dov >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:17, John Hendy wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld wrote: >>>> >>>>> In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I have >>>>> so far checked the following and found that they have serious problems: >>>>> >>>>> - epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. >>>>> - org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a >>>>> long slides I would like to scroll >>>>> >>>>> What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It >>>> just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the >>>> occasional obscure code to force it to do my will! >>>> >>>> You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things during >>>> presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/ >>>> >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>> >>> >> > --001636c5b3c72c53970494c84313 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:04 AM, Dov Gro= bgeld <dov.g= robgeld@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:38, John Hend= y <jw.hendy@gmail.com> wrote:

What about prezi, then? No o= rgmode integration but seems to be the least "powerpoint-ish" and= reminiscent of the "olden days"?=A0http://prezi.com/

You've got any idea of how to concept= ually map a orgmode document into the non-linear mode of prezi?=A0 It certa= inly supports scrolling, though.

Not really! Though I wouldn't be surprised if most peopl= e use prezi more for the animations/transitions/uniqueness than really usin= g the non-linearity. Does that make sense? As in, I know you can go to &quo= t;slide 1" (or zoom in on some area as your "slide 1"), move= on to some other things and then quickly whip back to slide 1 as you say, = "Now, remember this information I spoke of earlier? Let's look at = how that's affected by what I just referred to" or something like = that.

I guess I'm taking "non-linear" to mean h= ow you navigate through the information, not solely the fact that prezi is = on a huge canvas and thus not a sequence (linear) of slides.

If you just mean the ability to revisit things... I think th= ere should definitely be a way to put your presentation together in advance= so you revisit various things and make the appearance of non-linearity. Bu= t it will still be fullscreen slides showing one after another, not twirlin= g and whirling around a canvas.
=A0

Dov


John
=A0
Regards,
Dov


On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at = 15:17, John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> wrote:


On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Do= v Grobgeld <dov.grobgeld@gmail.com> wrote:
In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-= mode I have so far checked the following and found that they have serious p= roblems:
  • epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over d= isplay.
  • org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long sli= des I would like to scroll
What abou= t beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It just seem= s to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the occasional = obscure code to force it to do my will!

You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantast= ic things during presentations:=A0http://impressive.sourceforge.net/

John




--001636c5b3c72c53970494c84313-- --===============0604010849== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode --===============0604010849==-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jeff Horn Subject: Re: org-mode and htmlslidy Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:58:10 -0500 Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=44547 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PGZXm-0000eI-Tl for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:58:36 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGZXl-0006ts-1U for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:58:34 -0500 Received: from mail-fx0-f41.google.com ([209.85.161.41]:48512) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGZXk-0006th-TH for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 10:58:33 -0500 Received: by fxm20 with SMTP id 20so1462616fxm.0 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 07:58:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Dov Grobgeld Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org If you want scrolling, why don't you simply make a presentation using HTML with Org-mode? I mean, just show someone a webpage or two? Please understand I'm only curious, not hostile. To me, I just don't see why you'd want to combine presentations and scrolling... to me, the advantage of presentations is their fixed size. It forces me to focus on key points due to the limited real estate on each slide. Why not just make an outline in HTML (with all the pretty charts and graphs inserted) and project your talking points on a screen? On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Dov Grobgeld wrot= e: > Does beamer and impressive support scrolling? I assume not as beamer is > LaTeX based which also uses fixed paper size. The paradigm of fixed size > slides is imho a remnant from a time when slides were "hardware" and plac= ed > on a overhead projector. I see no reason why shouldn't be able to scroll = a > long slide during a presentation if you can't fit it all on a single scre= en > full. > > Regards, > Dov > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:17, John Hendy wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld >> wrote: >>> >>> In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I have s= o >>> far checked the following and found that they have serious problems: >>> >>> epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. >>> org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long >>> slides I would like to scroll >> >> What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It >> just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the >> occasional obscure code to force it to do my will! >> You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things during >> presentations:=A0http://impressive.sourceforge.net/ >> >> John > > _______________________________________________ > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > --=20 Jeffrey Horn Graduate Lecturer and PhD Student in Economics George Mason University (704) 271-4797 jhorn@gmu.edu jrhorn424@gmail.com http://www.failuretorefrain.com/jeff/ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Dov Grobgeld Subject: Re: org-mode and htmlslidy Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 23:54:25 +0200 Message-ID: <1289512465.11701.11.camel@Nokia-N900-42-11> References: Reply-To: Dov Grobgeld Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1348127318==" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37888 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PGf5B-0005nZ-PD for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:53:26 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGf59-0005gk-I2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:53:25 -0500 Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com ([209.85.215.169]:62261) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGf59-0005gf-6a for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:53:23 -0500 Received: by eydd26 with SMTP id d26so1498102eyd.0 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:53:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Jeff Horn Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============1348127318== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-LDhnb207N0CHkMh2CsFn" --=-LDhnb207N0CHkMh2CsFn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-ID: <1289512464.11701.8.camel@Nokia-N900-42-11> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In principle I agree with you 99percent of the time, as descrete slides define the pace of the lecture, but at the same time I'm against arbitrary limitations. And not being able to scroll is imho such a limitation. Here are a couple of examples that I believe justifies scrolling: * A code listing. Splitting up a listing between two pages looses contents. * A tall graph, e.g a flow chart. In this sence I think that htmlslidy is better than s5. -- Sent from my Nokia N900 ----- Original message ----- > If you want scrolling, why don't you simply make a presentation using > HTML with Org-mode? I mean, just show someone a webpage or two? > > Please understand I'm only curious, not hostile. To me, I just don't > see why you'd want to combine presentations and scrolling... to me, > the advantage of presentations is their fixed size. It forces me to > focus on key points due to the limited real estate on each slide. > > Why not just make an outline in HTML (with all the pretty charts and > graphs inserted) and project your talking points on a screen? > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Dov Grobgeld > wrote: > > Does beamer and impressive support scrolling? I assume not as beamer is > > LaTeX based which also uses fixed paper size. The paradigm of fixed > > size slides is imho a remnant from a time when slides were "hardware" > > and placed on a overhead projector. I see no reason why shouldn't be > > able to scroll a long slide during a presentation if you can't fit it > > all on a single screen full. > > > > Regards, > > Dov > > > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:17, John Hendy wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I > > > > have so far checked the following and found that they have serious > > > > problems: > > > > > > > > epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. > > > > org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long > > > > slides I would like to scroll > > > > > > What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! > > > It just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting > > > down the occasional obscure code to force it to do my will! > > > You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things > > > during presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/ > > > > > > John > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Emacs-orgmode mailing list > > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. > > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode > > > > > > > > -- > Jeffrey Horn > Graduate Lecturer and PhD Student in Economics > George Mason University > > (704) 271-4797 > jhorn@gmu.edu > jrhorn424@gmail.com > > http://www.failuretorefrain.com/jeff/ --=-LDhnb207N0CHkMh2CsFn Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-ID: <1289512464.11701.10.camel@Nokia-N900-42-11> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In principle I agree with you 99percent of the time, as descrete slides define the pace of the lecture, but at the same time I'm against arbitrary limitations. And not being able to scroll is imho such a limitation. Here are a couple of examples that I believe justifies scrolling:

* A code listing. Splitting up a listing between two pages looses contents.
* A tall graph, e.g a flow chart.

In this sence I think that htmlslidy is better than s5.
--
Sent from my Nokia N900

----- Original message -----
> If you want scrolling, why don't you simply make a presentation using
> HTML with Org-mode? I mean, just show someone a webpage or two?
>
> Please understand I'm only curious, not hostile. To me, I just don't
> see why you'd want to combine presentations and scrolling... to me,
> the advantage of presentations is their fixed size. It forces me to
> focus on key points due to the limited real estate on each slide.
>
> Why not just make an outline in HTML (with all the pretty charts and
> graphs inserted) and project your talking points on a screen?
>
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Dov Grobgeld <dov.grobgeld@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Does beamer and impressive support scrolling? I assume not as beamer is
> > LaTeX based which also uses fixed paper size. The paradigm of fixed
> > size slides is imho a remnant from a time when slides were "hardware"
> > and placed on a overhead projector. I see no reason why shouldn't be
> > able to scroll a long slide during a presentation if you can't fit it
> > all on a single screen full.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Dov
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 15:17, John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld
> > > <dov.grobgeld@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I
> > > > have so far checked the following and found that they have serious
> > > > problems:
> > > >
> > > > epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display.
> > > > org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long
> > > > slides I would like to scroll
> > >
> > > What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much!
> > > It just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting
> > > down the occasional obscure code to force it to do my will!
> > > You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things
> > > during presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/
> > >
> > > John
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Jeffrey Horn
> Graduate Lecturer and PhD Student in Economics
> George Mason University
>
> (704) 271-4797
> jhorn@gmu.edu
> jrhorn424@gmail.com
>
> http://www.failuretorefrain.com/jeff/

--=-LDhnb207N0CHkMh2CsFn-- --===============1348127318== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode --===============1348127318==-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jeff Horn Subject: Re: org-mode and htmlslidy Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:27:50 -0500 Message-ID: References: <1289512465.11701.11.camel@Nokia-N900-42-11> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37092 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PGjN7-0003SP-U4 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:28:14 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGjN6-0004jA-N1 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:28:13 -0500 Received: from mail-fx0-f41.google.com ([209.85.161.41]:46248) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGjN6-0004j5-G9 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 21:28:12 -0500 Received: by fxm20 with SMTP id 20so1985422fxm.0 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:28:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1289512465.11701.11.camel@Nokia-N900-42-11> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Dov Grobgeld Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org > * A code listing. Splitting up a listing between two pages looses contents. > * A tall graph, e.g a flow chart. These are great examples of the point of being able to scroll. In fact, I haven't needed to do either of these yet in my lectures, so I didn't realize the value of scrolling. But if scrolling and zooming are essential... well, those are already built into the browser, so why not just use HTML (or org-mode translated to HTML)? You can always break up a "slide" by creating different pages and link them all together. I guess linking is the value added of something like slidy... -- Jeffrey Horn Graduate Lecturer and PhD Student in Economics George Mason University (704) 271-4797 jhorn@gmu.edu jrhorn424@gmail.com http://www.failuretorefrain.com/jeff/ From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Dov Grobgeld Subject: Re: org-mode and htmlslidy Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:00:30 +0200 Message-ID: References: <1289512465.11701.11.camel@Nokia-N900-42-11> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2080997753==" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=58419 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PGmgb-00064p-Ey for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:00:34 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGmgZ-0006WO-RH for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:00:32 -0500 Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com ([209.85.216.176]:57963) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGmgZ-0006WF-OE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:00:31 -0500 Received: by qyk32 with SMTP id 32so2238471qyk.0 for ; Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:00:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Jeff Horn Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --===============2080997753== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367fbb7cd277160494d4cedc --0016367fbb7cd277160494d4cedc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I tried warping s5-org this morning into slidy-org and I finally got it to work with one small remaining problem. In the resulting HTML I have:
which I want to change to:
What is the best way of changing that? I saw that s5-org is using some jquery rewrites of the xml tree. Is that the best way of solving it? Is there a possibility of doing this change directly in org-mode without javascript? Thanks! Dov On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 04:27, Jeff Horn wrote: > > * A code listing. Splitting up a listing between two pages looses > contents. > > * A tall graph, e.g a flow chart. > > These are great examples of the point of being able to scroll. In > fact, I haven't needed to do either of these yet in my lectures, so I > didn't realize the value of scrolling. > > But if scrolling and zooming are essential... well, those are already > built into the browser, so why not just use HTML (or org-mode > translated to HTML)? > > You can always break up a "slide" by creating different pages and link > them all together. I guess linking is the value added of something > like slidy... > > -- > Jeffrey Horn > Graduate Lecturer and PhD Student in Economics > George Mason University > > (704) 271-4797 > jhorn@gmu.edu > jrhorn424@gmail.com > > http://www.failuretorefrain.com/jeff/ > --0016367fbb7cd277160494d4cedc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I tried warping s5-org this morning into slidy-org and I f= inally got it to work with one small remaining problem. In the resulting HT= ML I have:

<div id=3D"outline-container-2" class=3D&quo= t;outline-2">

which I want to change to:

<div id=3D"outline-container-= 2" class=3D"class">

What is the best way of changi= ng that? I saw that s5-org is using some jquery rewrites of the xml tree. I= s that the best way of solving it? Is there a possibility of doing this cha= nge directly in org-mode without javascript?

Thanks!
Dov

On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 a= t 04:27, Jeff Horn <jrhorn424@gmail.com> wrote:
> * A code listing. Splitting up a listing between two= pages looses contents.
> * A tall graph, e.g a flow chart.

These are great examples of the point of being able to scroll. In
fact, I haven't needed to do either of these yet in my lectures, so I didn't realize the value of scrolling.

But if scrolling and zooming are essential... well, those are already
built into the browser, so why not just use HTML (or org-mode
translated to HTML)?

You can always break up a "slide" by creating different pages and= link
them all together. I guess linking is the value added of something
like slidy...

--
Jeffrey Horn
Graduate Lecturer and PhD Student in Economics
George Mason University

(704) 271-4797
jhorn@gmu.edu
jrhorn424@gmail.com

http://= www.failuretorefrain.com/jeff/

--0016367fbb7cd277160494d4cedc-- --===============2080997753== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Emacs-orgmode mailing list Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list. Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode --===============2080997753==-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Sebastian Rose Subject: Re: org-mode and htmlslidy Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 13:50:59 +0100 Message-ID: <87aaleyabw.fsf@gmx.de> References: <1289512465.11701.11.camel@Nokia-N900-42-11> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=37080 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PGt6b-0007qf-32 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:51:50 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGt6Z-0006UV-Os for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:51:48 -0500 Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([213.165.64.23]:49039 helo=mail.gmx.net) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PGt6Z-0006U3-CA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:51:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Dov Grobgeld's message of "Fri, 12 Nov 2010 08:00:30 +0200") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Dov Grobgeld Cc: Jeff Horn , emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Dov Grobgeld writes: > I tried warping s5-org this morning into slidy-org and I finally got it to > work with one small remaining problem. In the resulting HTML I have: > >
> > which I want to change to: > >
> > What is the best way of changing that? I saw that s5-org is using some > jquery rewrites of the xml tree. Is that the best way of solving it? Is > there a possibility of doing this change directly in org-mode without > javascript? > > Thanks! > Dov The jQuery way: #+STYLE: http://api.jquery.com/browser/ is your friend ;) HTH, Sebastian From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Peter Frings Subject: Re: org-mode and htmlslidy Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:34:01 +0100 Message-ID: <9FEA316C-5402-4692-8C26-62F963DDCB62@agfa.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0404784820==" Return-path: Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=59413 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PIOUL-0005aF-RC for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:34:40 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PIOUH-0004U5-6K for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:34:30 -0500 Received: from mornm01-out.agfa.com ([134.54.1.75]:25293) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1PIOUH-0004T1-0c for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 11:34:29 -0500 In-Reply-To: List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode Mailinglist --===============0404784820== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-32-232913017 --Apple-Mail-32-232913017 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 11 Nov 2010, at 14:17, John Hendy wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld = wrote: > In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I have = so far checked the following and found that they have serious problems: > epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display. > org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long = slides I would like to scroll > What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It = just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the = occasional obscure code to force it to do my will! >=20 > You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things = during presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/ I've been using mindmaps as a presentation tool and have had very = positive reactions from the audience. - The overview is almost always in sight. - It's easy to move to the next topic (you need software that can = collapse and expand subtrees, most of them do) - You can leave two or more topics open (depends on the size of course) - It's easy to go back to a previous point. - You can edit things if needed. - It's different. OK, that last point might not be a real benefit, but it is often = refreshing to the audience, and it grabs the attention pretty well :-) Cheers, Peter.= --Apple-Mail-32-232913017 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
On 11 Nov 2010, at 14:17, John Hendy wrote:



On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Dov Grobgeld <dov.grobgeld@gmail.com> wrote:
In looking for the perfect slide show generation from org-mode I have so far checked the following and found that they have serious problems:
  • epresenter - Keyboard gets stuck, little control over display.
  • org-s5 - No support for pages overflowing, e.g. when showing a long slides I would like to scroll
What about beamer? To date I haven't found anything I like as much! It just seems to do about everything... even if that means hunting down the occasional obscure code to force it to do my will!

You can combine it with impressive! and do some fantastic things during presentations: http://impressive.sourceforge.net/


I've been using mindmaps as a presentation tool and have had very positive reactions from the audience.

- The overview is almost always in sight.
- It's easy to move to the next topic (you need software that can collapse and expand subtrees, most of them do)
- You can leave two or more topics open (depends on the size of course)
- It's easy to go back to a previous point.
- You can edit things if needed.
- It's different.

OK, that last point migh t not be a real benefit, but it is often refreshing to the audience, and it grabs the attention pretty well :-)

Cheers,
Peter.
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