From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Nick Dokos Subject: Re: Beamer support in Org-mode Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:06:27 -0500 Message-ID: <9705.1261148787@alphaville.usa.hp.com> References: <6A790953-D036-4BAE-8833-E5B343A15331@gmail.com> <23189.1259253052@gamaville.dokosmarshall.org> <8F9C582F-F254-4FF7-A22B-E3D90081D380@gmail.com> <4b0ec920.0407c00a.1a73.1d20@mx.google.com> <87eimwb5he.wl%ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk> <6ac505ad0912151107i5944cc89ma18cfed98712d7f6@mail.gmail.com> <4b27e848.e302be0a.7924.08ae@mx.google.com> <20091218110607.GE5666@atlantic.linksys.moosehall> Reply-To: nicholas.dokos@hp.com Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NLeR4-0002uc-4Y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:08:06 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NLeQz-0002te-Eo for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:08:05 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49579 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NLeQz-0002tb-C5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:08:01 -0500 Received: from g5t0008.atlanta.hp.com ([15.192.0.45]:7972) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NLeQz-0004JA-1r for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:08:01 -0500 Received: from smtp1.fc.hp.com (smtp.cnd.hp.com [15.15.136.127]) by g5t0008.atlanta.hp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FE424370 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:06:27 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: Message from Adam Spiers of "Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:06:07 GMT." <20091218110607.GE5666@atlantic.linksys.moosehall> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Adam Spiers wrote: > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 04:49:23PM -0300, Darlan Cavalcante Moreira wrote: > > In addition, while I also agree that footnotes shouldn't be in a presentation > > they are allowed when working with beamer and may be useful in some cases. If > > org-mode export footnotes as beamer notes then some months from now someone > > would be asking here in the mailing-list how to enter a standard footnote when > > exporting to beamer. > > I agree - unfortunately there are genuinely sensible uses of footnotes > in presentations. For example, citation of sources for quotations, > data etc. is ideally accomplished by footnotes: they are not used > during the presentation itself, but by distributing paper and/or > electronic copies after the talk, footnotes provide essential > reference data for perusal by the audience at a later date. > I think that's an argument *for* Eric's idea (assuming that the handout includes notes - that's my practice, but maybe not everybody does that, although they *should* :-) ). In general, I think slides should be very simple: single-level lists, single idea per slide, no footnotes - but I know that generalities like that are just guidelines: meant to be broken, given a good enough cause. > Imagine a slide showing the results of a benchmark, claiming "X is > much faster than Y!" You might want to talk briefly about how the > results were obtained, and about the impact of the results, but you > would also need to be able to tell the audience they could > independently verify the results by obtaining a copy of the slides and > visiting the URL contained in the footnote - especially if the results > are controversial! In this case, it would not matter that the URL was > too small to be legible from the back of the room. > > How does inverting Eric's idea sound: invent a new kind of footnote, let's call it, say, a "pnote", which is treated exactly like a footnote in all exports *except* beamer. In beamer, footnotes end up in the frame and pnotes end up in the notes. Not sure whether the implementation would be as simple as this makes it sound, but who knows?[1] Thanks, Nick [1] Well, OK: Carsten knows...