Bug: M-a bound to backward-sentence

Bug: M-a bound to backward-sentence

[Andreas Röhler]

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Hi

inside a table

M-a is bound to backward-sentence

which doesn't meet info.

See screenshot attached.

Checked from git-repo code

Thanks

Andreas

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Re: Bug: M-a bound to backward-sentence

[Carsten Dominik]

On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Andreas Röhler wrote:

> Hi
>
> inside a table
>
> M-a is bound to backward-sentence

Hi Andreas,

I get

M-a runs the command org-backward-sentence, which is an interactive
compiled Lisp function in `org.el'.

It is bound to M-a.

(org-backward-sentence &optional ARG)

Go to beginning of sentence, or beginning of table field.
This will call `backward-sentence' or `org-table-beginning-of-field',
depending on context.


Cheers

>
> which doesn't meet info.
>
> See screenshot attached.
>
> Checked from git-repo code
>
> Thanks
>
> Andreas
> <org-table-move- 
> bug.png>_______________________________________________
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- Carsten

Re: Bug: M-a bound to backward-sentence

[Andreas Röhler]

Am 02.11.2010 16:07, schrieb Carsten Dominik:
>
> On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Andreas Röhler wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> inside a table
>>
>> M-a is bound to backward-sentence
>
> Hi Andreas,
>
> I get
>
> M-a runs the command org-backward-sentence, which is an interactive
> compiled Lisp function in `org.el'.
>
> It is bound to M-a.
>
> (org-backward-sentence &optional ARG)

Hi Carsten,

thanks. Error was in my way to load the devel version

Have been told to follow instructions and load

;;   (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org-install.elc")

However, it works here that way:

   (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org.el")

Do you have an idea whats the reason?

Maybe it's useful to drop some note how to load the devel code.

Thanks again

Andreas


>
> Go to beginning of sentence, or beginning of table field.
> This will call `backward-sentence' or `org-table-beginning-of-field',
> depending on context.
>
>
> Cheers
>
>>
>> which doesn't meet info.
>>
>> See screenshot attached.
>>
>> Checked from git-repo code
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Andreas
>> <org-table-move-bug.png>_______________________________________________
>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>
> - Carsten
>
>
>
>

Re: Bug: M-a bound to backward-sentence

[Carsten Dominik]

On Nov 3, 2010, at 9:22 AM, Andreas Röhler wrote:

> Am 02.11.2010 16:07, schrieb Carsten Dominik:
>>
>> On Nov 2, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Andreas Röhler wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> inside a table
>>>
>>> M-a is bound to backward-sentence
>>
>> Hi Andreas,
>>
>> I get
>>
>> M-a runs the command org-backward-sentence, which is an interactive
>> compiled Lisp function in `org.el'.
>>
>> It is bound to M-a.
>>
>> (org-backward-sentence &optional ARG)
>
> Hi Carsten,
>
> thanks. Error was in my way to load the devel version
>
> Have been told to follow instructions and load
>
> ;;   (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org-install.elc")

By who?

the right customization is

(require 'org-install).  ANd, when you are using git, you
need to *make* org-install.el yourself.
*Alternatively, you can also do (require 'org), but this
only works because people apparently do overlook the
org-install part in the installation instructions.

- Carsten

>
> However, it works here that way:
>
>  (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org.el")
>
> Do you have an idea whats the reason?
>
> Maybe it's useful to drop some note how to load the devel code.
>
> Thanks again
>
> Andreas
>
>
>>
>> Go to beginning of sentence, or beginning of table field.
>> This will call `backward-sentence' or `org-table-beginning-of-field',
>> depending on context.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>>>
>>> which doesn't meet info.
>>>
>>> See screenshot attached.
>>>
>>> Checked from git-repo code
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Andreas
>>> <org-table-move- 
>>> bug.png>_______________________________________________
>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

right customization

[Andreas Röhler]

>>
>> Hi Carsten,
>>
>> thanks. Error was in my way to load the devel version
>>
>> Have been told to follow instructions and load
>>
>> ;; (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org-install.elc")
>
> By who?
>
> the right customization is
>
> (require 'org-install).

Hi Carsten,

that surprises me.

AFAIU

(require

only loads a feature, if it's not present already.
As my distributed Emacs comes with an --basically empty--
org-install.el, which provides it (but does nothing in reality, then 
sending a "provide"), I'd be afraid its done here.

Andreas


ANd, when you are using git, you
> need to *make* org-install.el yourself.
> *Alternatively, you can also do (require 'org), but this
> only works because people apparently do overlook the
> org-install part in the installation instructions.
>
> - Carsten
>
>>
>> However, it works here that way:
>>
>> (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org.el")
>>
>> Do you have an idea whats the reason?
>>
>> Maybe it's useful to drop some note how to load the devel code.
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>> Andreas
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Go to beginning of sentence, or beginning of table field.
>>> This will call `backward-sentence' or `org-table-beginning-of-field',
>>> depending on context.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>>>
>>>> which doesn't meet info.
>>>>
>>>> See screenshot attached.
>>>>
>>>> Checked from git-repo code
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Andreas
>>>> <org-table-move-bug.png>_______________________________________________
>>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>>
>>> - Carsten
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: right customization

[Carsten Dominik]

On Nov 4, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Andreas Röhler wrote:

>
>>>
>>> Hi Carsten,
>>>
>>> thanks. Error was in my way to load the devel version
>>>
>>> Have been told to follow instructions and load
>>>
>>> ;; (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org-install.elc")
>>
>> By who?
>>
>> the right customization is
>>
>> (require 'org-install).
>
> Hi Carsten,
>
> that surprises me.
>
> AFAIU
>
> (require
>
> only loads a feature, if it's not present already.
> As my distributed Emacs comes with an --basically empty--
> org-install.el, which provides it (but does nothing in reality, then  
> sending a "provide"), I'd be afraid its done here.

Hi Andreas,

also the org-install.el that comes with Emacs is only loded when you  
(or some other package) issues a require.

If you have set up the load path correctly, so that your own version  
of org is seen before the one coming wiht Emacs, the require will load  
the right one.

I think this is all covered pretty extensively in our tutorials, FAQ  
etc,

- Carsten

>
> Andreas
>
>
> ANd, when you are using git, you
>> need to *make* org-install.el yourself.
>> *Alternatively, you can also do (require 'org), but this
>> only works because people apparently do overlook the
>> org-install part in the installation instructions.
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>>>
>>> However, it works here that way:
>>>
>>> (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org.el")
>>>
>>> Do you have an idea whats the reason?
>>>
>>> Maybe it's useful to drop some note how to load the devel code.
>>>
>>> Thanks again
>>>
>>> Andreas
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Go to beginning of sentence, or beginning of table field.
>>>> This will call `backward-sentence' or `org-table-beginning-of- 
>>>> field',
>>>> depending on context.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> which doesn't meet info.
>>>>>
>>>>> See screenshot attached.
>>>>>
>>>>> Checked from git-repo code
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Andreas
>>>>> <org-table-move- 
>>>>> bug.png>_______________________________________________
>>>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>>>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>>>
>>>> - Carsten
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

- Carsten

Re: right customization

[Andreas Röhler]

Am 04.11.2010 09:29, schrieb Carsten Dominik:
>
> On Nov 4, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Andreas Röhler wrote:
>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Carsten,
>>>>
>>>> thanks. Error was in my way to load the devel version
>>>>
>>>> Have been told to follow instructions and load
>>>>
>>>> ;; (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org-install.elc")
>>>
>>> By who?
>>>
>>> the right customization is
>>>
>>> (require 'org-install).
>>
>> Hi Carsten,
>>
>> that surprises me.
>>
>> AFAIU
>>
>> (require
>>
>> only loads a feature, if it's not present already.
>> As my distributed Emacs comes with an --basically empty--
>> org-install.el, which provides it (but does nothing in reality, then
>> sending a "provide"), I'd be afraid its done here.
>
> Hi Andreas,
>
> also the org-install.el that comes with Emacs is only loded when you (or
> some other package) issues a require.
>

So I'm nearly drowned.
In my imagination an explicite "load" overwrites the symbols 
unconditionally,
while "require" does a check.


> If you have set up the load path correctly, so that your own version of
> org is seen before the one coming wiht Emacs, the require will load the
> right one.
>
> I think this is all covered pretty extensively in our tutorials, FAQ etc,
>
> - Carsten
>
>>
>> Andreas
>>
>>
>> ANd, when you are using git, you
>>> need to *make* org-install.el yourself.
>>> *Alternatively, you can also do (require 'org), but this
>>> only works because people apparently do overlook the
>>> org-install part in the installation instructions.
>>>
>>> - Carsten
>>>
>>>>
>>>> However, it works here that way:
>>>>
>>>> (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org.el")
>>>>
>>>> Do you have an idea whats the reason?
>>>>
>>>> Maybe it's useful to drop some note how to load the devel code.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again
>>>>
>>>> Andreas
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Go to beginning of sentence, or beginning of table field.
>>>>> This will call `backward-sentence' or `org-table-beginning-of-field',
>>>>> depending on context.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which doesn't meet info.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See screenshot attached.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Checked from git-repo code
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andreas
>>>>>> <org-table-move-bug.png>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>>>>>> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>>>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>>>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>>>>
>>>>> - Carsten
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
> - Carsten
>
>
>
>

Re: right customization

[Carsten Dominik]

On Nov 4, 2010, at 10:54 AM, Andreas Röhler wrote:

> Am 04.11.2010 09:29, schrieb Carsten Dominik:
>>
>> On Nov 4, 2010, at 8:16 AM, Andreas Röhler wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Carsten,
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks. Error was in my way to load the devel version
>>>>>
>>>>> Have been told to follow instructions and load
>>>>>
>>>>> ;; (load "~/org-mode/lisp/org-install.elc")
>>>>
>>>> By who?
>>>>
>>>> the right customization is
>>>>
>>>> (require 'org-install).
>>>
>>> Hi Carsten,
>>>
>>> that surprises me.
>>>
>>> AFAIU
>>>
>>> (require
>>>
>>> only loads a feature, if it's not present already.
>>> As my distributed Emacs comes with an --basically empty--
>>> org-install.el, which provides it (but does nothing in reality, then
>>> sending a "provide"), I'd be afraid its done here.
>>
>> Hi Andreas,
>>
>> also the org-install.el that comes with Emacs is only loded when  
>> you (or
>> some other package) issues a require.
>>
>
> So I'm nearly drowned.
> In my imagination an explicite "load" overwrites the symbols  
> unconditionally,
> while "require" does a check.


This is correct, it does.  However, if you path is not setup  
correctly, things will *still* fail after that.  You were saying that  
this is the recommended way which it is not.  And it is a  
misconception to assume that all files that come with Emacs will  
always be loaded....

- Carsten