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In-reply-to: Message-ID: <87zh3koqgk.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 19:13:31 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::632; envelope-from=gusbrs.2016@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-x632.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=fail (headers rsa verify failed) header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=R3Gywm8w; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: 1.09 X-TUID: a9zwjo3sttJf On Fri, 13 Nov 2020 at 18:47, Jean Louis wrote: > * Gustavo Barros [2020-11-14 00:12]: > > I have seen discussion with very little reasoning. You are changing > default for many users and large subset of those users will not read > the NEWS. And now you are discovering that there are people who get > messed up with it. Is it really useful? So far I remember the > electric-indent-mode did work in Org mode without this > anti-enhancement. > [...] > > Introducing default that changes habits and gives more work to present > users is not useful. > > Did you consider number of users who would now maybe need to introduce > local variable just to turn that off? Sorry that I do not find this > case reasonable. Oh, my! I'm not even the person you should be ranting to. I'm just an user, and someone who follows this list, and was trying to be helpful. But, as such, I do get what motivated maintainers to make the change from the linked threads. And I also got from them and the News the information needed to adjust for the change, in case I'd want to. Perhaps we read differently. Best regards, Gustavo.