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This means it will require users to install an additional package not previously required. It is also a perl script, so will need perl installed - not sure what sort of overhead this might represent for Windows and Mac users? Does latexmk work on all the platforms Emacs+org is supported on? It isn't hard for users who want to use latexmk to set the value and as it will break the installation for many existing users, I think we need to be careful about changing this default. For many users who don't use bibtex, this change could mean they have to install additional software with little other observable benefit or change the default back to what it is. If we do make this change, it will be necessary to update any docs to add details about the additional dependncy and how to resolve it (for all supported platforms). -- Tim Cross