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(was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)) In-Reply-To: References: <87o71d25fb.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2024 09:13:25 +0000 Message-ID: <87wmg11f7u.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Country: US X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -7.39 X-Spam-Score: -7.39 X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 7547678DD6 X-Migadu-Scanner: mx11.migadu.com X-TUID: eAoMgjzh0q2x Psionic K writes: >> > org-speed-keys >> May you please elaborate? > > I discovered org speed keys because I was making my own speed-key > system and came across the shadowed bindings. The bindings are always > shadowed, even when speed keys are off. Unlike Lispy, where I > customize the shadowing using keymaps, org speed keys has > `org-speed-commands'. From a discoverability standpoint, it breaks > some things. The commands are opaque. All I see is `org-self-insert' > whereas my own bindings have unique command names on every key, > another thing I copied from Lispy. Even if they have DWIM or > situational behavior, it is easier to identify all behavior when > starting from an entry point that doesn't implement details of other > commands. May you please provide more information about the more natural implementation of context-dependent bindings? -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode maintainer, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at