From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms11 with LMTPS id cJG8AOPCYF8uagAA0tVLHw (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 13:34:27 +0000 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:2:4a6f::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id gAmkNuLCYF/KLwAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 13:34:26 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 394C1940224 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 13:34:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([::1]:51056 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIB6H-0000TV-7O for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 09:34:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37806) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIApZ-0005F6-8E for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 09:17:09 -0400 Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214]:52464 helo=ciao.gmane.io) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kIApX-0000Ww-DZ for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 09:17:08 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kIApT-0009KB-Nt for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 15:17:03 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: "text mode" org mode Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 15:16:56 +0200 Message-ID: <87v9gfuqlz.fsf@ebih.ebihd> References: <878sdbw7h6.fsf@ebih.ebihd> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:2hjfGVzr+GVnf06P6/9OGCaYXz0= Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/15 01:12:44 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" Reply-to: Emanuel Berg From: Emanuel Berg via "General discussions about Org-mode." X-Scanner: scn0 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.51 X-TUID: SBRVF7Jfz4cO > Can I tell Org mode to don't change editing back > and forth, also don't collapse items in and out, > i.e. virtually text mode, only I still want the > font lock and to be able to use the mode to set > keys, the functions to compile into a PDF, and > so forth. Here is part of an IRC conversation that perhaps clarifies what I mean... (the last sentence should not be seen as a threat BTW :)) incal: that "Outliner" feature (i.e. collpasing and replacing things) is more or less the core of org-mode. emacs being emacs I bet you can disable it. but it would be completely braindead. in the true sense of the word. you would lobotmoize emacs. well, one can easily think of outliner features for HTML, CSS, LaTeX, even source code for every programming language, and I never used it for anything else so I guess I have always been braindead :) I get what you mean, I don't use code folding like this anywhere else. it's just annoying with code. but org-mode is really about organzing information in a tree and collapsing parts of it and maybe moving things around. so if you don't need it, org-mode might be the wrong tool there. then again emacs can be adapt for everyone ofc what I was looking for was a way to typeset that had a less involved syntax than LaTeX, to be able to create simple PDFs, somewhere between plain text and LaTeX. I asked on gmane.emacs.orgmode , if they cannot solve it I'll just `require' org, apply the org-mode's font-lock to a text-mode buffer, and use `org-latex-export-to-pdf' -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal