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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1658830353; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:references:references:list-id:list-help: list-unsubscribe:list-subscribe:list-post; bh=3yLg4t+6A54/v9dmAiTbHK4GEYtUGFM51+2CCnifAo4=; b=fq5xF3x4UyrKA0XBUsbGVqc4TXOEI5KUKrO2VVwLEBYmw7sLVhfESl2TKBBs+V9Z0PDuVp SHfSBj3bVxgIQifDXPme1Rnvd1Ezgmn3+tTI15TS/qGmvvfVoX6PSja9VNLrSLemOdC9cT UGWHZOfZ8l1DTFWjaQKOgnpohoEzoWg2fuB8IMf3tlurlsLNhtU2oXf0+YwA6zZi838E2g zvO8BzCiedifb2kIczSLLwlpUjklnmIK07TPRMWBaRoRRv7jExeGW0vbZ63UtW3RVvfyVT 9w2wMFhMHD23Dcro6/8RQpRBtlI2Afigg73kPzhB6prhJ98nRyixfNA0HleObQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1658830353; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=MCjCbplxfunFjnAupVeXwfBtsXjDNn9oFHUo3aJhd4nW4vjJ/cL0pRt3qVkGn7CF7GwBHD n6YKNNy57VAbo7YyJ1AQ7xmGc58dkqNMx0F45lNGWNrrdNB8vaUv8qlBPnGd/m+cFG3gew GyM0sgHPDprHhRjW2djHmIQuRlb4hTM2tl1iXl2zhSZiHkPlY2c+2DKLoJ6B6zpMAfTY0Z KiBKYK6OEChgrflXZw9/Xd/E/O4xR91CMsEtHsBZ66PA91FgB73w77rnzXaZ04IOrtU9k9 EKvxBoyhePSW5Cqdq6gOP04sl8USlboKNzYnyBTdLFBlFdD9awcJVjLxSYZlrg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.23 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 032D217D31 X-Spam-Score: -2.23 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: 5JvpEYQieNIe Ihor Radchenko writes: > Jarmo Hurri writes: >>> TBH, this is the first time I'm hearing about it. I've looked it >>> up, and indeed it seems to be useful. >> >> For some reason, even people who would certainly benefit from >> Asymptote often have not heard of it. The developers do not really >> advertise. Asymptote is amazingly powerful and sophisticated. > > Then, it would help to have more practical examples compared to what > we have in > https://www.orgmode.org/worg/org-contrib/babel/languages/ob-doc-asymptote.html Absolutely. I have plenty of examples from the domains of math and computer science. >>> That said, shouldn't this be in org-contrib? Too many features in a >>> tool - featurism - may be distracting, in the sense that you focus >>> more on your tool than work at hand. >> >> I do not understand this. Why would supporting a professional-level >> graphics programming language be distracting someone from their work >> when using Org? > > That a common minimalist argument. Some people dislike the fact that > software includes features they do not personally use. Similar > arguments are often raised regarding, for example, games shipped with > Emacs. I do not see Org as a "minimalist" system. I see it as glue. I think one of the great powers of Org mode is its capability to act together with various systems, including LaTeX and a host of programming languages. I would never imagine that Org would only support the tools I use, but I expect to be positively surprised by the fact that Org will support, out of the box, something that I am not using now but will be using in the future. > I disagree in this particular case. Having ob-asymptote.el is not a > featurism - I would not expect people to play around a full new > programming language just because ob-language.el is in Org. The > barrier of entry is too high to make it destructing. I am not sure I can interpret your text correctly. But if you are saying that builtin support for Asymptote will not lower the threshold of its use among Org users, I would ask the following questions: - How many Org users are already capable of programming? - How many Org users prefer code-based representations to other forms? All the best, Jarmo