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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Scanner: ns3122888.ip-94-23-21.eu Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=pobox.com header.s=sasl header.b=HzARmfbN; dkim=pass header.d=kyleam.com header.s=mesmtp header.b=m6qYMuas; dmarc=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -0.21 X-TUID: EPZf0mOE9ZCj K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec writes: > Detlef Steuer writes: > Note that indenting section bodies by default predates Org 9.4: in Org > 9.3, hitting TAB on the first line of text after a heading indents it to > column LEVEL+1. Yes, org-adapt-indentation has been around (with a default of t) since 4be4c5623 (version 4.12a, 2008-01-31). > IMHO, the default value of org-adapt-indentation might be the issue here > (made more visible by the change in 9.4): I agree that hard-indenting > prose should not be the default behaviour. FWIW the .dir-locals.el file > at the root of Org's own repository sets this variable to nil; maybe > that suggests that it would be a better default? Perhaps. I certainly prefer org-adapt-indentation at nil and would vote for that if we were introducing the option today, but this would be changing a longstanding default. So, it seems that changing Org to honor electric-indent-mode is now making some users aware of org-adapt-indentation and that its default value is not what they want.