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See also >> https://github.com/200ok-ch/organice#beorg > > As "Org" started first, it would be better that author ask the company > to stop using the trademark. Trademark need not be registered, but > when registered even better. > > By asking the author to either stop using "Org" as it is trademark in > commerce (software is commerce) maybe they could get incentive to make > it free software too. > > This has nothing to do with defining a formal grammar for org mode. Please refrain from hijacking threads in this manner. If something in a thread makes you think of another issue (such as trademarks) or some other tangential point, please start a new thread with an appropriate subject. In addition to being correct netiquette and respectful to the existing conversation, it will also ensure the point you raise has an appropriate subject title, making it easier for those who are interested in your point to see it and ensuring the indexing and searching of the archives can be done more efficiently/accurately. IMO there is no trademark issue here. Neither Emacs or org-mode have any trademark ownership over the term 'Org' or any word which has 'org' in it, like beorg. --=20 Tim Cross