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[106.69.123.93]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k14sm20602260pfp.132.2020.12.14.13.44.54 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 14 Dec 2020 13:44:55 -0800 (PST) References: <87o8kf69tm.fsf@ucc.asn.au> <87v9d66l75.fsf@gmail.com> <87a6ugpftr.fsf@gmail.com> <877dpkpefs.fsf@gmail.com> <873608pai7.fsf@gmail.com> <20201214180549.GE6352@maokai> <87wnxkntc4.fsf@gmail.com> <20201214191649.GH6352@maokai> User-agent: mu4e 1.5.7; emacs 27.1.50 From: Tim Cross To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Subject: Re: Emacs as an Org LSP server Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 08:34:05 +1100 In-reply-to: <20201214191649.GH6352@maokai> Message-ID: <87sg88kqp7.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::633; envelope-from=theophilusx@gmail.com; helo=mail-pl1-x633.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.51 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ssg4vGAI; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: F37E79403AA X-Spam-Score: -1.51 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: aZmDNK4MViBc Russell Adams writes: > So in summary, why should anyone contribute to exporting our unique > features to other editors instead of investing that time making Emacs > better? > You cannot know that such an effort won't also benefit Emacs org mode users. The greater the user base, the greater the pool of ideas for enhancing and extending the system. Emacs users and developers don't have a monopoly on good ideas. At the end of the day this is about volunteer effort and if someone wants to volunteer to do something, in general, we should support that effort (with some caveats of course). If anyone doesn't want to support it, that is also fine. However, once we start to try and control what or how people volunteer their time, we venture out into dangerous waters. At the end of the day, success or failure of an imitative will depend on whether people use it or not. Most original initiatives never actually see the light of day and some which do can often have benefits which were not recognised initially. I prefer to encourage ideas and see what fruit they will bare rather than discourage them before they begin. -- Tim Cross