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From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: Psionic K <psionik@positron.solutions>,
	 charles.choi@yummymelon.com,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	 emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, emacs.transient@jonas.bernoulli.dev,
	 juri@linkov.net, justin@burkett.cc,
	 karthikchikmagalur@gmail.com,  omar@matem.unam.mx,
	tclaesson@gmail.com,  visuweshm@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark?
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2024 10:12:44 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87seqqshcz.fsf@posteo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h676fvdn.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Sat, 14 Dec 2024 09:48:20 +0000")

Can I please be removed from the CCs in this thread?

Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net> writes:

> Psionic K <psionik@positron.solutions> writes:
>
>>> intercepts the main loop
>
>> This is optional, per transient menu (prefix) and the commands within it.
>> A common technique, used by magit and others, is to have entry point
>> commands in the regular keymap so that many commands can be started without
>> traversing several menus.  If you want normal un-shadowed bindings active
>> at the same time, the prefix has a slot called `transient-non-suffix' that
>> is similar to the `:suppress' option in keymaps or setting a `t'
>> `undefined' binding in a keymap.  However the results of mixing self-insert
>> and modal or modal and another modal are generally bad.
>
> Thanks for the info!
> So, we can have something like
>
> :transient-non-suffix 'leave
>
> and then pressing something that is not bound to a suffix or infix will
> run the parent keymap command, automatically leaving transient state.
>
>> - Normalizing how to obtain arguments when being called independently as an
>> interactive command versus being called as a Transient suffix
>
> I think it is addressed in the example patch I shared. There, we pass
> around the original function arguments via macro expansion (!arg-name)
>
>   ["Open" ("b" "bibliography entry" (org-cite-basic-goto !citation !prefix))]
>
>> In the short term, to punch the first two problems in the face, override
>> the `:setup-children' method.  If you know what keymap you are borrowing
>> bindings from, you can synchronize it at display time.
>
> This is also partially solved. We do use :setup-children, although the
> initial implementation simply reads user customization into menu layout.
>
> I believe that we can read a keymap in similar way and generate
> transient layout automatically.
>
>> What I fear is a system like org-speed-keys which relies on an override of
>> `org-self-insert' and is yet another orthogonal system.  I much prefer the
>> Lispy style of integration, which uses a keymap.  Using keymaps, even if
>> they are not active, to generate transient key bindings via :setup-children
>> is the best way to have certain integration with other Emacs tools.
>
> May you please elaborate?


  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-14 10:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-14  0:37 [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?) Psionic K
2024-12-14  9:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-14 10:12   ` Philip Kaludercic [this message]
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2024-09-14 12:36 Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu? Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-02 19:04 ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-02 19:21 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-02 21:37   ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-03  7:40     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-05 10:07       ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-09 14:08         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-10 16:33           ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-10 16:41             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-11 10:03               ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-11 15:52                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-12  9:26                   ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-12 18:03                     ` Ihor Radchenko
     [not found]                       ` <CAO0k703a5SCv4Eaogjs-14zgmTi-pK5qqG=8VzB8+7h-kcC8yg@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                         ` <87wmh8s358.fsf@localhost>
     [not found]                           ` <87y11nwp9z.fsf@gmail.com>
2024-11-17  9:30                             ` Fwd: " Tor-björn Claesson
2024-11-23 16:41                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-11-25 17:49                                 ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-12-10 19:11                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-11 10:05                                     ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-12-13 18:41                                       ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?) Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-13 22:09                                         ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? Gabriel Santos
2024-12-14  9:57                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-14 10:59                                             ` Gabriel Santos
2024-12-14 13:10                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-13 22:57                                         ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-14  9:59                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-14 10:50                                         ` indieterminacy

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