From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp1 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id nGfMCgoYhWABKAAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:19:38 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp1 with LMTPS id 0L9qBQoYhWAlCQAAbx9fmQ (envelope-from ) for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 07:19:38 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECA961A6E6 for ; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:19:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:58756 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1laZ3I-0002IW-22 for larch@yhetil.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 03:19:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59960) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1laZ2u-0002IP-GA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 03:19:12 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33694) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1laZ2u-0008RU-0F; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 03:19:12 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e34:ec2b:7150:ed54:8727:3d4b:bc2a] (port=38956 helo=guerry) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1laZ2t-0001jn-7L; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 03:19:11 -0400 Received: by guerry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2678A1A610A3; Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:19:09 +0200 (CEST) From: Bastien To: Tim Cross Subject: Re: Concerns about community contributor support In-Reply-To: <87lf96uagf.fsf@gmail.com> (Tim Cross's message of "Sun, 25 Apr 2021 16:17:23 +1000") Organization: GNU References: <87pmyuyssi.fsf@gmail.com> <87v98b0yvm.fsf@gnu.org> <87lf96uagf.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:19:09 +0200 Message-ID: <87r1iyg7bm.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1619335177; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post; bh=bT0PIpl5w2o5HvFaY5yaUHXn08nTNuMB7Q0cm+JQY0g=; b=soQ+X2lk/Rwi+//OUM9dVQ1s91tF+4lgHMzp8kuEJUlsoESQRi32Ej6iq8++YvWeU2WY2A bZQWxQ+RFgtLH0ft+PtssOEVEGUT3T/06+XP5Pwv3puvowtfpR5OV+R6E9U+mPtaCB/gkB 8TLHAmDGZuc1VZq/SoAd6Rcv6noD5IJK81wCRwmnIofEhiLKwdOrHstW5wP19ZE9ExIsN5 d/ePVm4xVJ1UsxhjRPOf7XXVylt10Rfwl74knGSWEoAFJLHBKkusWyf6oC5DXkaCfiUWet sHWnEs6WKSa94oV9zK10rzKSJVbMt8Vikz5LBZ6kJf8zOODV7ANJp3K7dVKXgQ== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1619335177; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=XCGhmB/JQRPawnps+gXAMDXT1DlE8OnH/ynS7Xy9mgspSMWxxjTdflKb2vyvaZE4o5pXCb WWgK/jbu+WuHm/sbt65lr6F5bBDlpsuzAkl1sZWwMKInjxQoO0UnBUCdyzFx/svyyNYVwp 28OtFQ1+Jywn7MxGHeh9ciCFQMP9doUuzHIBkHuFIyAJe76GLMUwHGAj7EpT+XRiQVTbRk fsAuqqYYRgfdAtP9vUH+I/uhNCJQ/jH2NQMKlaC/eP56dVcUqmm6hzr1ehyZca3ZhG7ziE 4NG2zs82Xzgee6ruKhle9p0gDkyD/l8WyXlb1ljL0pUQivjQu9PweLnl4fvhfA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -2.94 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gnu.org; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: ECA961A6E6 X-Spam-Score: -2.94 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: ydZejcleeKOd Hi Tim, Tim Cross writes: > I agree and am willing to help if I can. Great! Would you agree to be "officially" appointed to this role, with Timothy? I put quotes on "officially": when moving toward the new maintainance team, I'd like to list maintainers and their roles, including the "contributor stewards". If you prefer not to publicly appear but still work on this, that's perfectly okay too, of course. > One thing I do think would be helpful, particularly for documentation on > maintenance of org mode, would be a clear outline of project goals and > philosophy. Some of this would be 'concrete' statements, such as the > minimum supported Emacs version, size of contribution and requirements > to sign FSF copyright assignment paperwork, inclusion of acceptance > tests, documentation, maintenance of backwards compatibility, API > stability etc. Other parts would be more 'fuzzy' guidelines, such as > avoiding complexity and 'blow out' in options/arguments, balancing > features and maintainability, what should become part of org core and > what should be in contributions or a completely separate add on package > and what guidelines are used in assessing extensions/enhancements for > inclusion etc. > > It will be challenging to define this as there are a wide diversity of > views and priorities amongst the community. However, I think it would be > an overall benefit for both the community and on-going development of > org mode. > > While I would be happy to help with this, I think the initial content at > least needs to come from current key maintainers and if possible, some > input from Carsten would be good. Fully agreed. Input from old timers will be precious, too. I will work on this as we are transitioning to the new maintainance team. Also, I commit to achieve this transition by August, 1st. This may seem a bit far away, but there is really no rush here, and I want to ensure we have a smooth transition.