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I slightly feel users should be > allowed to put citations in places where it might not make sense in export, > and that they are responsible for knowing what they are doing. > > I am sympathetic to the reality that the second half of that statement is a > big ask, and that it can lead to confusion. Nothing stops anyone from > manually typing or pasting a citation into those places though. I would be > inclined to use the activate function to highlight those that are in places > that won't export, rather than limit where people can put them using the > insert mechanism. Not all Org files are destined for export, yet any syntactically correct Org file is expected to export without fuss. So, allowing citations anywhere and then let Org later fail without notice may be asking for trouble. I understand the problem, but the solution should not be: "let's pretend export does not exist". Regards, -- Nicolas Goaziou