From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: James Harkins Subject: List admin: Plain text attachments appearing in the digest Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:06:55 +0800 Message-ID: Reply-To: jamshark70@dewdrop-world.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1c2baf960b504d6e793cc Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:57780) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UBbqj-0002oM-7f for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 21:06:58 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UBbqi-0006Ta-3o for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 21:06:57 -0500 Received: from mail-oa0-f43.google.com ([209.85.219.43]:53424) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UBbqh-0006TU-Ua for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 21:06:56 -0500 Received: by mail-oa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id l10so6755496oag.16 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2013 18:06:55 -0800 (PST) List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --e89a8ff1c2baf960b504d6e793cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi, I wonder if there is a way to make the list digest *not* include the entire contents of plaintext attachments? For example, this message attaches an updated org-favtable.el: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/67371 Attaching a code file is fine, of course, but it did present a couple of annoyances while reading the digest: - I needed to page through screenfuls of code that I'm not using presently. - My mail reader truncated the digest display at message 27 of 51, leaving 24 messages invisible to me. I suppose the digest could include a link to the attachment, rather than replicating the entire file? Thanks. hjh --e89a8ff1c2baf960b504d6e793cc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Hi, I wonder if there is a way to make the list digest *not* include the entire contents of plaintext attachments?

For example, this message attaches an updated org-favtable.el:

http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/67371

Attaching a code file is fine, of course, but it did present a couple of annoyances while reading the digest:

- I needed to page through screenfuls of code that I'm not using presently.

- My mail reader truncated the digest display at message 27 of 51, leaving 24 messages invisible to me.

I suppose the digest could include a link to the attachment, rather than replicating the entire file?

Thanks.
hjh

--e89a8ff1c2baf960b504d6e793cc-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: List admin: Plain text attachments appearing in the digest Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 11:04:34 +0100 Message-ID: <87ppzioy3k.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48771) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UBkLl-0002Gq-5M for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 06:11:34 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UBkLi-0006mD-5o for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 06:11:33 -0500 Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com ([209.85.212.180]:38279) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UBkLh-0006lm-WA for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 06:11:30 -0500 Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id hi8so373128wib.13 for ; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 03:11:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (James Harkins's message of "Sat, 2 Mar 2013 10:06:55 +0800") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: jamshark70@dewdrop-world.net Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi James, James Harkins writes: > I suppose the digest could include a link to the attachment, rather > than replicating the entire file? We use mailman -- can you investigate and see if we can configure mailman to suit your needs? -- Bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Achim Gratz Subject: Re: List admin: Plain text attachments appearing in the digest Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2013 18:49:45 +0100 Message-ID: <87k3pp8zeu.fsf@Rainer.invalid> References: <87ppzioy3k.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:56866) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UBqZL-0003NW-Fw for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 12:50:00 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UBqZJ-0001tv-RD for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 12:49:59 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:45627) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UBqZJ-0001sY-Ks for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 12:49:57 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UBqZb-0002L6-Gp for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 18:50:15 +0100 Received: from pd9eb3b87.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.235.59.135]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 18:50:15 +0100 Received: from Stromeko by pd9eb3b87.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 18:50:15 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Bastien writes: > We use mailman -- can you investigate and see if we can configure > mailman to suit your needs? I don't think that it is possible to remove attachments specifically for the digest, much less replacing them with links. But the digest can have a maximum size set, which triggers sending additional digests when that threshold is exceeded. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ Samples for the Waldorf Blofeld: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#BlofeldSamplesExtra From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: James Harkins Subject: Re: List admin: Plain text attachments appearing in the digest Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 10:11:31 +0800 Message-ID: References: <87ppzioy3k.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Reply-To: jamshark70@dewdrop-world.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f923da251835204d6fbc25f Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48505) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UByOk-0002K3-Q2 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 21:11:36 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UByOj-0004kF-5s for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 21:11:34 -0500 Received: from mail-oa0-f49.google.com ([209.85.219.49]:49624) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UByOj-0004kB-0W for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 21:11:33 -0500 Received: by mail-oa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id j6so7492341oag.22 for ; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 18:11:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87ppzioy3k.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bastien Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org --e89a8f923da251835204d6fbc25f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mar 2, 2013 7:13 PM, "Bastien" wrote: > > I suppose the digest could include a link to the attachment, rather > > than replicating the entire file? > > We use mailman -- can you investigate and see if we can configure > mailman to suit your needs? It seems Achim is right. There's no option to include or exclude plain text attachments. But there is a size cap for digests: http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administration-v2.html ~~ How big in Kb should a digest be before it gets sent out? Mailman will collect list traffic until this threshold is reached, then it will deliver the digest to users. This setting is useful in preventing digests from containing so many messages that the reader becomes disoriented. Should a digest be dispatched daily when the size threshold isn't reached? When installed, Mailman is set to run a daily maintenance script. If you check yes for this option Mailman will send a digest at the specified time even though the size threshold has not been reached. This is a good idea for low traffic lists that may take some time in reaching the threshold. Note: By default, the daily dispatch time is noon (server time). If you want to be sure of the time that your daily dispatch goes out ask the system administrator of your system. ~~ I would be happy if the first setting were reduced. Actually, I remember asking about lowering the digest size limit once before, and (IIRC) you asked the mailman admins if it was possible, and they claimed it couldn't be done. I guess either they didn't RTFM or maybe they were looking for a server-level setting, whereas this setting is at the mailing list level. hjh --e89a8f923da251835204d6fbc25f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mar 2, 2013 7:13 PM, "Bastien" <bzg@altern.org> wrote:
> > I suppose the digest could include a link to the attachment, rath= er
> > than replicating the entire file?
>
> We use mailman -- can you investigate and see if we can configure
> mailman to suit your needs?

It seems Achim is right. There's no option to include or= exclude plain text attachments. But there is a size cap for digests:

http://staff.imsa.edu/~ckolar/mailman/mailman-administ= ration-v2.html

~~
How big in Kb should a digest be before it gets sent out? Mailman will coll= ect list traffic until this threshold is reached, then it will deliver the = digest to users. This setting is useful in preventing digests from containi= ng so many messages that the reader becomes disoriented.

Should a digest be dispatched daily when the size threshold = isn't reached? When installed, Mailman is set to run a daily maintenanc= e script. If you check yes for this option Mailman will send a digest at th= e specified time even though the size threshold has not been reached. This = is a good idea for low traffic lists that may take some time in reaching th= e threshold.
Note: By default, the daily dispatch time is noon (server time). If you wan= t to be sure of the time that your daily dispatch goes out ask the system a= dministrator of your system.
~~

I would be happy if the first setting were reduced.

Actually, I remember asking about lowering the digest size l= imit once before, and (IIRC) you asked the mailman admins if it was possibl= e, and they claimed it couldn't be done. I guess either they didn't= RTFM or maybe they were looking for a server-level setting, whereas this s= etting is at the mailing list level.

hjh

--e89a8f923da251835204d6fbc25f-- From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: List admin: Plain text attachments appearing in the digest Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 07:22:52 +0100 Message-ID: <87ehfxm283.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <87ppzioy3k.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:54589) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UC2Jz-0004pt-Qv for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 01:22:56 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UC2Jx-0004Kb-DX for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 01:22:55 -0500 Received: from mail-we0-x22e.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::22e]:41239) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UC2Jx-0004K9-5y for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 01:22:53 -0500 Received: by mail-we0-f174.google.com with SMTP id r6so3604408wey.5 for ; Sat, 02 Mar 2013 22:22:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (James Harkins's message of "Sun, 3 Mar 2013 10:11:31 +0800") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: jamshark70@dewdrop-world.net Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Hi James, James Harkins writes: > I would be happy if the first setting were reduced. What maximum size is it now? What maximum size would you like? -- Bastien From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Achim Gratz Subject: Re: List admin: Plain text attachments appearing in the digest Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 09:35:25 +0100 Message-ID: <87ehfwubhu.fsf@Rainer.invalid> References: <87ppzioy3k.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87ehfxm283.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42851) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UC4OW-0005d1-Ud for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 03:35:47 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UC4OS-0006uP-Tt for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 03:35:44 -0500 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:47201) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UC4OS-0006uK-Dl for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 03:35:40 -0500 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UC4Ol-0004XZ-OE for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 09:35:59 +0100 Received: from pd9eb572f.dip.t-dialin.net ([217.235.87.47]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 09:35:59 +0100 Received: from Stromeko by pd9eb572f.dip.t-dialin.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 09:35:59 +0100 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Bastien writes: > What maximum size is it now? What maximum size would you like? Only the list admin can see that setting. But the standard configuration is to send the digest at fixed intervals with no size cap, IIRC. Regards, Achim. -- +<[Q+ Matrix-12 WAVE#46+305 Neuron microQkb Andromeda XTk Blofeld]>+ SD adaptation for Waldorf rackAttack V1.04R1: http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html#WaldorfSDada From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Bastien Subject: Re: List admin: Plain text attachments appearing in the digest Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2013 09:38:38 +0100 Message-ID: <87wqtonai9.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <87ppzioy3k.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87ehfxm283.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87ehfwubhu.fsf@Rainer.invalid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:43123) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UC4RM-0006ZJ-5x for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 03:38:40 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UC4RL-0007Cy-26 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 03:38:40 -0500 Received: from mail-we0-x235.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::235]:63603) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UC4RK-0007Cp-RK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 03:38:38 -0500 Received: by mail-we0-f181.google.com with SMTP id t44so3640916wey.40 for ; Sun, 03 Mar 2013 00:38:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87ehfwubhu.fsf@Rainer.invalid> (Achim Gratz's message of "Sun, 03 Mar 2013 09:35:25 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Achim Gratz Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Achim Gratz writes: > Bastien writes: >> What maximum size is it now? What maximum size would you like? > > Only the list admin can see that setting. Yes -- I'm asking what James wants to ask the list admins if they think it would be a sensible default and if they can implement it. -- Bastien