From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Daniel Pittman Subject: Whitespace and outline structure... Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 22:47:27 +1100 Message-ID: <87odcxxxkg.fsf@enki.rimspace.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J23an-00014L-LH for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:48:05 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J23al-00013G-Lj for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:48:04 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J23al-00013B-I5 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:48:03 -0500 Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.229.2] helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J23ak-0002lj-ON for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:48:03 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1J23aO-0003lX-Tk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:47:40 +0000 Received: from 203-217-31-70.perm.iinet.net.au ([203.217.31.70]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:47:40 +0000 Received: from daniel by 203-217-31-70.perm.iinet.net.au with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:47:40 +0000 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org G'day. I have found org mode incredibly good and useful so far, to my surprise, as I usually find outlining tools in Emacs very frustrating. This is a really pleasant change -- and great, since it fills a gap in my task and project management requirements. I do have one gripe, though, that I hope someone can suggest something to help with; the manual and google have not given me much help. I like to lay out my large todo list nicely; visible whitespace between sections make their relationships much clearer to me at a glance, and the overall structure much easier to read. This works fine with org-mode in most cases: if I put a line between items it is swallowed by the folding, but if I put multiple lines then it remains as a single line of visible white-space. The problem comes when I restructure the file and when I add items through the `remember' package: whitespace adds up, or is moved, and generally doesn't just "do what I mean." There are two specific problems: I put multiple blank lines before a top level heading to get visible whitespace, in this sort of structure: * Some Stuff ** A first item. ** Blah Blah * Other Stuff -- with a line even when 'Some Stuff' is folded. ** Another Item. If I was then to move '** Blah Blah' under the 'Other Stuff' heading using the built-in structure management tools those extra blank lines move with it. This means that 'Other Stuff' is now joined up, visually, to 'A First Item', which I didn't want, and that there is visible whitespace between 'Blah Blah' and 'Another Item' as well... The second is that the insert command from `remember' tends to end up building up blank lines between my 'Tasks' heading (where it inserts the items) and the new items themselves. This one is less of an issue, and something that I am going to work on understanding better before I complain more; at the moment I suspect my templates or use of `remember' may be the root cause. Regards, Daniel -- Daniel Pittman Phone: 03 9428 6922 1/130-132 Stawell St, Richmond Web: http://www.cyber.com.au Cybersource: Australia's Leading Linux and Open Source Solutions Company