Org 9.2 not inhibiting electric-pair-mode in the beginning of lines?

Org 9.2 not inhibiting electric-pair-mode in the beginning of lines?

[Vladimir Nikishkin]

I used org 8 until recently, and it used to be that I could type "<"
at the beginning of a line, and it would be still a single "<" (thus
allowing the expansion of structured templates with TAB)

In org 9.2 electric-pair-mode seems to be working all the time.

What is the recommended way of making paired parentheses in org 9.2?

Shall I inhibit electric-pair-mode somehow myself, and instead rely on
org-cdlatex-mode?

What would be the correct incantation to put in the .emacs file?

Thanks!

-- 
Yours sincerely, Vladimir Nikishkin

Re: Org 9.2 not inhibiting electric-pair-mode in the beginning of lines?

[Fraga, Eric]

On Tuesday, 29 Oct 2019 at 16:09, Vladimir Nikishkin wrote:
> I used org 8 until recently, and it used to be that I could type "<"
> at the beginning of a line, and it would be still a single "<" (thus
> allowing the expansion of structured templates with TAB)

Expansion of structured templates is no longer done using < at the start
of a line.  A more general approach is now available,
org-insert-structure-template which is bound to C-c C-, for me at
least.  It prompts for what to insert and, most importantly, will wrap
the structure around any region that has been selected.

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50, Org release_9.2.6-552-g8c5a78

Re: Org 9.2 not inhibiting electric-pair-mode in the beginning of lines?

[Vladimir Nikishkin]

I think, these are two different mechanisms. C-c C-, works as expected.
The "<" mechanism comes from org-tempo, and is faster, because you
don't have to choose anything.

вт, 29 окт. 2019 г. в 16:21, Fraga, Eric <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk>:
>
> On Tuesday, 29 Oct 2019 at 16:09, Vladimir Nikishkin wrote:
> > I used org 8 until recently, and it used to be that I could type "<"
> > at the beginning of a line, and it would be still a single "<" (thus
> > allowing the expansion of structured templates with TAB)
>
> Expansion of structured templates is no longer done using < at the start
> of a line.  A more general approach is now available,
> org-insert-structure-template which is bound to C-c C-, for me at
> least.  It prompts for what to insert and, most importantly, will wrap
> the structure around any region that has been selected.
>
> --
> Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50, Org release_9.2.6-552-g8c5a78



-- 
Yours sincerely, Vladimir Nikishkin

Re: Org 9.2 not inhibiting electric-pair-mode in the beginning of lines?

[Fraga, Eric]

On Tuesday, 29 Oct 2019 at 16:50, Vladimir Nikishkin wrote:
> I think, these are two different mechanisms. C-c C-, works as expected.
> The "<" mechanism comes from org-tempo, and is faster, because you
> don't have to choose anything.

I don't know anything about org-tempo but, just to be clear, the old <
at beginning of line mechanism that was available, by default, in org
8.x is no longer available.  It was replaced by C-c C-,.

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50, Org release_9.2.6-552-g8c5a78

Re: Org 9.2 not inhibiting electric-pair-mode in the beginning of lines?

[Vladimir Nikishkin]

No it is not, please, don't disinform people.

вт, 29 окт. 2019 г. в 17:03, Fraga, Eric <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk>:
>
> On Tuesday, 29 Oct 2019 at 16:50, Vladimir Nikishkin wrote:
> > I think, these are two different mechanisms. C-c C-, works as expected.
> > The "<" mechanism comes from org-tempo, and is faster, because you
> > don't have to choose anything.
>
> I don't know anything about org-tempo but, just to be clear, the old <
> at beginning of line mechanism that was available, by default, in org
> 8.x is no longer available.  It was replaced by C-c C-,.
>
> --
> Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50, Org release_9.2.6-552-g8c5a78



-- 
Yours sincerely, Vladimir Nikishkin

Re: Org 9.2 not inhibiting electric-pair-mode in the beginning of lines?

[Vladimir Nikishkin]

And this question is _not_ about the template expansion, but about the
electric-pair-mode.

вт, 29 окт. 2019 г. в 17:06, Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@gmail.com>:
>
> No it is not, please, don't disinform people.
>
> вт, 29 окт. 2019 г. в 17:03, Fraga, Eric <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk>:
> >
> > On Tuesday, 29 Oct 2019 at 16:50, Vladimir Nikishkin wrote:
> > > I think, these are two different mechanisms. C-c C-, works as expected.
> > > The "<" mechanism comes from org-tempo, and is faster, because you
> > > don't have to choose anything.
> >
> > I don't know anything about org-tempo but, just to be clear, the old <
> > at beginning of line mechanism that was available, by default, in org
> > 8.x is no longer available.  It was replaced by C-c C-,.
> >
> > --
> > Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50, Org release_9.2.6-552-g8c5a78
>
>
>
> --
> Yours sincerely, Vladimir Nikishkin



-- 
Yours sincerely, Vladimir Nikishkin

Re: Org 9.2 not inhibiting electric-pair-mode in the beginning of lines?

[Fraga, Eric]

On Tuesday, 29 Oct 2019 at 17:06, Vladimir Nikishkin wrote:
> No it is not, please, don't disinform people.

Not intending to do so but please clarify: in which way am I
misinforming people?

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50, Org release_9.2.6-544-gd215c3

Re: Org 9.2 not inhibiting electric-pair-mode in the beginning of lines?

[Vladimir Nikishkin]

Please, consider visitiong M-x info-display-manual RET org RET section
15.2, paragraph 4.

вт, 29 окт. 2019 г. в 18:08, Fraga, Eric <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk>:
>
> On Tuesday, 29 Oct 2019 at 17:06, Vladimir Nikishkin wrote:
> > No it is not, please, don't disinform people.
>
> Not intending to do so but please clarify: in which way am I
> misinforming people?
>
> --
> Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50, Org release_9.2.6-544-gd215c3



-- 
Yours sincerely, Vladimir Nikishkin

Re: Org 9.2 not inhibiting electric-pair-mode in the beginning of lines?

[Julius Müller]

Am 29.10.19 um 15:57 schrieb Vladimir Nikishkin:
> Please, consider visitiong M-x info-display-manual RET org RET section
> 15.2, paragraph 4.

Well, there's at least something missing in that documentation. Without
any config file active, but with org mode loaded, those abbreviations
are not availlable to me (as I expected from discussions in this group).

HTH,
Julius

Re: Org 9.2 not inhibiting electric-pair-mode in the beginning of lines?

[Julius Müller]

Am 29.10.19 um 16:08 schrieb Julius Müller:
> Am 29.10.19 um 15:57 schrieb Vladimir Nikishkin:
>> Please, consider visitiong M-x info-display-manual RET org RET section
>> 15.2, paragraph 4.
> 
> Well, there's at least something missing in that documentation. Without
> any config file active, but with org mode loaded, those abbreviations
> are not availlable to me (as I expected from discussions in this group).

Oops, I mistyped. My fault. Sorry for the noise.

Julius

Re: Org 9.2 not inhibiting electric-pair-mode in the beginning of lines?

[Fraga, Eric]

On Tuesday, 29 Oct 2019 at 22:57, Vladimir Nikishkin wrote:
> Please, consider visitiong M-x info-display-manual RET org RET section
> 15.2, paragraph 4.

You must have a different version of the manual than I have.  For me,
this section is on header arguments for working with source code and the
4th paragraph says nothing relevant as far as I can tell.  Anyway, no
worries.  I hope you get what you want sorted.

-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50, Org release_9.2.6-544-gd215c3

Re: Org 9.2 not inhibiting electric-pair-mode in the beginning of lines?

[Nick Dokos]

"Fraga, Eric" <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> On Tuesday, 29 Oct 2019 at 16:50, Vladimir Nikishkin wrote:
>> I think, these are two different mechanisms. C-c C-, works as expected.
>> The "<" mechanism comes from org-tempo, and is faster, because you
>> don't have to choose anything.
>
> I don't know anything about org-tempo but, just to be clear, the old <
> at beginning of line mechanism that was available, by default, in org
> 8.x is no longer available.  It was replaced by C-c C-,.

Not quite: there is still an emulation of the old mechanism if you

(require 'org-tempo)

which Vladimir probably does. That modifies the following hook:

,----
| org-tab-before-tab-emulation-hook is a variable defined in ‘org.el’.
| Its value is (org-tempo-complete-tag)
`----

The hook is run close to the end of org-cycle (which is bound to TAB). So
when you type

<sTAB

org-cycle runs through all the possibilities, fails on all of them, runs
the hook and org-tempo-complete-tag is evaluated, which expands the <s.

-- 
Nick

"There are only two hard problems in computer science: cache
invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors." -Martin Fowler

Re: Org 9.2 not inhibiting electric-pair-mode in the beginning of lines?

[Fraga, Eric]

On Tuesday, 29 Oct 2019 at 16:17, Nick Dokos wrote:
> Not quite: there is still an emulation of the old mechanism if you
>
> (require 'org-tempo)

Ah, thanks for clarifying.
-- 
Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50, Org release_9.2.6-552-g8c5a78

Re: Org 9.2 not inhibiting electric-pair-mode in the beginning of lines?

[Bastien]

Hi Vladimir,

Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@gmail.com> writes:

> I used org 8 until recently, and it used to be that I could type "<"
> at the beginning of a line, and it would be still a single "<" (thus
> allowing the expansion of structured templates with TAB)

This is still the case for me in latest Org mode version 9.3.4.

Can you try again with Emacs -q and Org 9.3.4?

Thanks,

-- 
 Bastien