From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from mp0 ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by ms0.migadu.com with LMTPS id cFTHLa5HY2BjWAAAgWs5BA (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 17:45:50 +0200 Received: from aspmx1.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:8:6d80::]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits)) by mp0 with LMTPS id AMi/J65HY2DhdgAA1q6Kng (envelope-from ) for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 15:45:50 +0000 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [209.51.188.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by aspmx1.migadu.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00C5B2BC81 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 17:45:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:57964 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lRGYt-0003QI-TN for larch@yhetil.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 11:45:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40380) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lRGY3-0003Pp-32 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 11:44:55 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:53051) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lRGY0-00043U-Mk for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 11:44:54 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8FEE2400FB for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 17:44:48 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1617119088; bh=5cBr+6KaBhnxzKfAM8mLg9lWCC4MZBeU5xGeZczRo5Y=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=p4Y2YECBk3sD7GLxgoiNBVxSqCTZ58E4HEOopGLzlxlpezF7WxHLfdCte2EwuugVp nDolDOjViFKF4cKIX/VtxxZdlF5RybxhUQenDSpi53+qxoBiX5MCsfQrlD6Wo4vHGR nE3/WZuSK+alhDYg/CB5kV7MRhiDka7djPKx90DN3TqwNBZr6iWQo0c+Bb5u6NiN3D +nO4yzz8Vv6drLxr19Dju0kwhtORBFlC6jYSH5cK0nWFwQV8r9K8mUegaic2qQnL5a GWNbM2toCwwis4LxgfJyOG7Yh+kgMh/6OQ3cmt7ytLiUS7ebDXt0I26NX4yntA0Xu8 dOsm0E5ocIrhQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4F8tzz256Bz9rxQ; Tue, 30 Mar 2021 17:44:47 +0200 (CEST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= To: Martin Steffen Subject: Re: About exporting References: <88a3facd-2f95-42b7-135a-d2ec6a730ba7@gmail.com> <86tuosdfh6.fsf@login.ifi.uio.no> <86pmzgd7zm.fsf@login.ifi.uio.no> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 17:44:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86pmzgd7zm.fsf@login.ifi.uio.no> (Martin Steffen's message of "Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:35:57 +0200") Message-ID: <87o8f0wsr5.fsf@posteo.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: orgmode Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1617119150; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=VzPwCfyQRulMsf1aZWimjbZgq4Qxt6LpaIBr2OXH37o=; b=JehkQJBu8WjlGAhBSglfmAeo+t3PKkhg/tTB1Sn4EOwmM9DDF51xFyoasV8sExI9AjNkmU rU1IWQACr0/Pid6VbPyz8tCDMd8bSnY9q+0bMnN7fb+7mVhdG3irjGdyJEYdoVnEIPO/Bc yEKcXtumzsF6utkotaUnem4L4oE8WAf3PfX33qvvzr4ekP1y2qlw2ZHBmlCKKpnM5Xs2dw GSfWZiWDGjnxOtkisTVdy/iW8q0ObCmEumpD0IDQnjyH22oKoC62PbunKoYLfkuaZS7kbW n6TAvn/NuFDTI9342gpyhjoL9BOX8f2uLuN4VSbv6D/fQc3Wmyn9I+YPTa3Mlw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1617119150; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=JB1tcfLR9ZJHmCGvsqDEW++YPVc/bXGzITn1vmyLg4vB8yXoE8gCjDCakVj+Y07gFKTSgq JghvyeVccNPBXre6IFy+3mEA9b2aPIgb4PX3A9Kv4r2x0+YiD4sdIj25aJNyN2njP+nFbi xLcRChSquJykr6+yL+vHlF6SVqTJH9CmyY/4GHWsmyZc+abrahmUbRhWteV0HvFTq6CUTy BZqLHXMu9tW+0lnWoSIXCs3R3KU4RJHwQUi8ig8E1qBhErYu3t/TqIghpoNA9vnJXkzkyw Kg4oZpxA79sdhkhQ755JBpkLcx5B5+mFxYaCWM2zalOU9L3fxBLDcCerj+5P5Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=p4Y2YECB; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.12 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=posteo.net header.s=2017 header.b=p4Y2YECB; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=posteo.net; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emacs-orgmode-bounces@gnu.org X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 00C5B2BC81 X-Spam-Score: -3.12 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: dUprbKf/wBmb Martin Steffen writes: > In my experience, ith latex, it's possible to write text together for > well-intended people. Publishing houses tell you ``these are the classes > and style files (among perhaps others) that you _have_ to use, and also > do the following...'' (same possible for wisiwyg-editors, I assume), > and if you don't mess that up (like overwriting the defaults) you have a > chance to get a uniformely looking output (and on a halfway portable > platform, like a CTAN compatible latex installation). I cannot imagine > that publishers would prescibe ``this is the org-settings and features > you as author must to use to publish with us''. Unfortunately today the old 'division of powers' that always worked has been broken in many scenarios: the author writes, the typesetter composes the book and the publisher publishes it, and neither of them interferes in the other's work, although all three live together in the same body. The WYSIWYG word processors have had a lot to do with distracting the author in untimely typographical concerns by imposing an unnatural way of writing, where the format is confused with the content and its structure. And DTP software, on the other hand, which is intended for magazines and graphic design, have imposed a rather negligent way of producing books. Knuth created TeX in the '70s for his own books, because he was disgusted with the result he was getting from an increasingly poor publishing industry, in the transition from mechanical printing and photocomposition to computerized editorial production. But somehow he also reinvented the printing press of the digital age, since TeX is first and foremost an emulator of the art and technique of ancient linotypists, monotypists, typesetters and so on. Lamport wrote LaTeX for his own documents, as a high-level language for TeX, since TeX only works on the physical plane, and plainTeX was quite spartan. But time has shown that LaTeX (and later ConTeXt) is the perfect semantic layer of TeX. Tex and LaTeX are essentially *typographic* tools, with true professional demands, but which authors can use on "autopilot" (a very small part of LaTeX). However, *I would not recommend anyone to use LaTeX for writing*. A light markup language is more comfortable and efficient for me. Some people prefer Markdown, but IMHO, Org Mode represents the most natural way (aside from paper) to write. It helps me organize my ideas. And when I write I don't worry about typographical problems at all, although I work as a professional typesetter. Of course, with LaTeX and its autopilot (standard classes, basic packages, no direct formatting, no custom code, etc., etc.) you can do the same. But Org represents one more step in confort and productivity. Best regards, Juan Manuel