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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1655549734; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=iLltJUcttm4BsP0BDjLUi1uqq+9JVfkpQdI3bl+7Zho=; b=J6DNo+h9y8FcPM398PILILDk5ep4jpYUV3EwzYIPs8gtLenEYhkAKM/erBp0tBgtuGDuDl pRyWwYAy0N3GJz7b38V8YuJmmFKGoegyeAaC2IqqGS6YW2MOwe06Pz7e+RvBxO86RrO/8H mIreTgJFWqcbAncXmapvuTEQR4klMtblboqhEgI+Y5WWo4R+r2K2KRNTs/wjtnurqrKTij ORzCaNpnwnSeApJCHJzol6tJ0IJkNKDrSefkKQTJXgYYMmhmy9jFZLOwhIHBHo1urcH0r4 twscxrsul3KRrroi+V1VYYTBtfSWqsk7NeOutlud4z1z+35ivu+fU0QwpGRmYA== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1655549734; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=gLk3laKpZqPcQ6Fr1NViTr2skGLEPoUm9JB+AgLjnAULQSGBs47B7s6r7nv2NkujnN0Y7Z QK05St0QuRtEHN7duT4IblZLC3iLMEyYj1SBAnbSyjytG+po1nv1dRER93Ct8wv/sC8APx s2045yqdCqTcgh4QYmS6SsWkTrkLff84TwbdutT9c/iEwnfAiedMtkmeF5xz9CPIl6H4hb ZX7pllsxpbUw6h4WfvY7oRmH3LO7xJq7OC32AvjHogo0GDad+ceT+4qeaCpH1x0AbECftg wqW2E0+/2zEAMBm1qXUl2yRCWRKedkjgWJGQf9w0naQxb8yCjnDAFX84pM0NnQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=Qa3BByxc; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -1.99 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=Qa3BByxc; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 4E6D33A2E8 X-Spam-Score: -1.99 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn1.migadu.com X-TUID: BSqQKWHtAaTv Tom Gillespie writes: > With regard to the key-bindings straw man. I guess I'm a bit of an > outsider on this one, because I started writing org documents by just > typing them in and only over time learning some of the bindings. Maybe > having an org-markup-mode or something like that would be a way to > provide a sandbox for the +recalcitrants+ newcomers? It might also be > a nice way to a/b test them on whether the Emacs editing commands > really are as good as they think they are (said the evil-mode user). It can be either a simplified org-markup-mode or a series of minor-modes that enable different sets of bindings. Something like: org-structure-edit-mode, org-table-edit-mode, org-babel-edit-mode, etc However, the tricky question is: What should be the default? If we have org-markup-mode (disabled by default), how would the newcomers know to enable it? If we have the alternative set of minor modes and disable them by default, will the existing Org mode users accept the need to adjust the configuration? Can we address the above concerns without dissatisfying neither the existing Org users nor the newcomers? Best, Ihor