unordered list feature request: new sub-lists automatically switch to different list-character

unordered list feature request: new sub-lists automatically switch to different list-character

[Livin Stephen Sharma]

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Context/Sample org content

current
**** unordered list
	 + topA
	   + innerA1
	   + innerA2
	 + topB
	   + innerB1


proposed
**** unordered list
	 + topA
	   - innerA1 <--- '-' used automatically instead of '+'
	   - innerA2 <--- " " "
	 + topB
	   - innerB1 <--- " " "

-----------------------------------------------------------------


When creating nested/child lists ('innerX' items) under an existing list item ('topX' items),
the current behaviour does not make an effort to change the leading list-denoter character (-,+,*).

Could a feature be provided where creating a such a child-list would make this list's items begin with a different list-denoter?

I find it helps readability (and hence efficiency when working with lists) when I manually (S-left, S-right) do this. If others agree, perhaps this could be provided as a built-in feature?

I don't know lisp, (& it's increasingly looking like it may be time to *find* the time to learn JJ) so I can't code this myself.




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Re: unordered list feature request: new sub-lists automatically switch to different list-character

[Scot Becker]

I like this  idea, even as default, though I'm sure that some people
are doing things with org for which they would want to turn it off.

Scot


On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 6:54 AM, Livin Stephen Sharma
<livin.stephen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Context/Sample org content
> current
> **** unordered list
> + topA
>   + innerA1
>   + innerA2
> + topB
>   + innerB1
>
> proposed
> **** unordered list
> + topA
>   - innerA1 <--- '-' used automatically instead of '+'
>   - innerA2 <--- " " "
> + topB
>   - innerB1 <--- " " "
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> When creating nested/child lists ('innerX' items) under an existing list
> item ('topX' items),
> the current behaviour does not make an effort to change the
> leading list-denoter character (-,+,*).
> Could a feature be provided where creating a such a child-list would make
> this list's items begin with a different list-denoter?
> I find it helps readability (and hence efficiency when working with lists)
> when I manually (S-left, S-right) do this. If others agree, perhaps this
> could be provided as a built-in feature?
> I don't know lisp, (& it's increasingly looking like it may be time to
> *find* the time to learn JJ) so I can't code this myself.
>
>
>
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Re: unordered list feature request: new sub-lists automatically switch to different list-character

[Juri Krivov]

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On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Livin Stephen Sharma <
livin.stephen@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Context/Sample org content
>
> *current*
> **** unordered list
>  + topA
>    + innerA1
>    + innerA2
>  + topB
>    + innerB1
>
>
> *proposed*
> **** unordered list
>  + topA
>    - innerA1 <--- '-' used automatically instead of '+'
>    - innerA2 <--- " " "
>  + topB
>    - innerB1 <--- " " "
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> When creating nested/child lists ('innerX' items) under an existing list
> item ('topX' items),
> the current behaviour does not make an effort to change the
> leading list-denoter character (-,+,*).
>
> Could a feature be provided where creating a such a child-list would make
> this list's items begin with a different list-denoter?
>
> I find it helps readability (and hence efficiency when working with lists)
> when I manually (S-left, S-right) do this. If others agree, perhaps this
> could be provided as a built-in feature?
>
> I don't know lisp, (& it's increasingly looking like it may be time to
> *find* the time to learn JJ) so I can't code this myself.
>
>
> There seems to be already a setting that can achieve this.
It was discussed long time ago, here
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/14793/focus=15214
In org-list.el, there is variable org-list-demote-modify-bullet.  I have not
tried,
but it looks similar to your request.
Juri

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[PATCH] Fix typo in org-list-demote-modify-bullet docstring

[Bernt Hansen]

---
This patch is available at git://git.norang.ca/org-mode.git typo

 lisp/org-list.el |    2 +-
 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 1 deletions(-)

diff --git a/lisp/org-list.el b/lisp/org-list.el
index 566e0eb..417061f 100644
--- a/lisp/org-list.el
+++ b/lisp/org-list.el
@@ -86,7 +86,7 @@ heading will be exposed in a children' view."
 (defcustom org-list-demote-modify-bullet nil
   "Default bullet type installed when demoting an item.
 This is an association list, for each bullet type, this alist will point
-to the bulled that should be used when this item is demoted."
+to the bullet that should be used when this item is demoted."
   :group 'org-plain-lists
   :type '(repeat
 	  (cons
-- 
1.7.1.96.gc06ee

Re: [PATCH] Fix typo in org-list-demote-modify-bullet docstring

[John Wiegley]

On May 21, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Bernt Hansen wrote:

> ---
> This patch is available at git://git.norang.ca/org-mode.git typo

Applied.  Bernt, did you get a notification by e-mail when I accepted your patch?

John

Re: [PATCH] Fix typo in org-list-demote-modify-bullet docstring

[Bernt Hansen]

John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com> writes:

> On May 21, 2010, at 10:07 AM, Bernt Hansen wrote:
>
>> ---
>> This patch is available at git://git.norang.ca/org-mode.git typo
>
> Applied.  Bernt, did you get a notification by e-mail when I accepted your patch?

Other than this message - no.

-Bernt

Re: unordered list feature request: new sub-lists automatically switch to different list-character

[Livin Stephen Sharma]

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Scott, Juri,
 thank you for your replies.

'org-list-demote-modify-bullet' is exactly what I was missing.

JohnW, BerntH, Carsten,
 AFAICT, the manual does not mention it?

Thanks again!
Livin Stephen Sharma



On May 21, 2010, at 17:52:46 , Juri Krivov wrote:

> 
> 
> On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Livin Stephen Sharma <livin.stephen@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Context/Sample org content
> 
> current
> **** unordered list
> 	 + topA
> 	   + innerA1
> 	   + innerA2
> 	 + topB
> 	   + innerB1
> 
> 
> proposed
> **** unordered list
> 	 + topA
> 	   - innerA1 <--- '-' used automatically instead of '+'
> 	   - innerA2 <--- " " "
> 	 + topB
> 	   - innerB1 <--- " " "
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> When creating nested/child lists ('innerX' items) under an existing list item ('topX' items),
> the current behaviour does not make an effort to change the leading list-denoter character (-,+,*).
> 
> Could a feature be provided where creating a such a child-list would make this list's items begin with a different list-denoter?
> 
> I find it helps readability (and hence efficiency when working with lists) when I manually (S-left, S-right) do this. If others agree, perhaps this could be provided as a built-in feature?
> 
> I don't know lisp, (& it's increasingly looking like it may be time to *find* the time to learn JJ) so I can't code this myself.
> 
> 
> There seems to be already a setting that can achieve this.
> It was discussed long time ago, here
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/14793/focus=15214
> In org-list.el, there is variable org-list-demote-modify-bullet.  I have not tried,
> but it looks similar to your request.
> Juri


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Re: unordered list feature request: new sub-lists automatically switch to different list-character

[Carsten Dominik]

On May 21, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Livin Stephen Sharma wrote:

> Scott, Juri,
>  thank you for your replies.
>
> 'org-list-demote-modify-bullet' is exactly what I was missing.
>
> JohnW, BerntH, Carsten,
>  AFAICT, the manual does not mention it?

Maybe you could suggest a place in the manual where you would have  
liked to find this information?  Maybe even a patch?

Thanks.

- Carsten

Re: unordered list feature request: new sub-lists automatically switch to different list-character

[Livin Stephen Sharma]

Livin Stephen Sharma



On May 22, 2010, at 11:12:38 , Carsten Dominik wrote:

> 
> On May 21, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Livin Stephen Sharma wrote:
> 
>> Scott, Juri,
>> thank you for your replies.
>> 
>> 'org-list-demote-modify-bullet' is exactly what I was missing.
>> 
>> JohnW, BerntH, Carsten,
>> AFAICT, the manual does not mention it?
> 
> Maybe you could suggest a place in the manual where you would have liked to find this information?  Maybe even a patch?

Section "2.7 Plain lists".
That was where I went looking for this information.

Perhaps between
a. the description of 'org-empty-line-terminates-plain-lists', and
b. "The following commands act on items when the cursor is in the first line of an item (the line with the bullet or number)"

I can't submit a patch,
 but this is what I might have liked to see (the documentation-addition that I might have submitted):

begin
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you find that using a different bullet for a sub-list (than that used for the current list-level) improves readability,  customize the variable 'org-list-demote-modify-bullet'. For example, this lisp in your '.emacs'
> (setq org-list-demote-modify-bullet
> 	  (quote (
> 			  ("+" . "-") ; sub-list uses '-' if cu
> 			  ("-" . "+")
> 			  ("*" . "+"))))

would result in such a 2-level list (which uses only '+'):

> **** Take 5!
> 	 + Movies
> 	   + Silence of the Lambs
> 	   + My Cousin Vinny
> 	 + Books
> 	   + The Hunt for Red October
> 	   + The Road to Omaha

instead looking like this (using '-' for sub-list)

> **** Take 5!
> 	 + Movies
> 	   - Silence of the Lambs
> 	   - My Cousin Vinny
> 	 + Books
> 	   - The Hunt for Red October
> 	   - The Road to Omaha
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
end




> 
> Thanks.
> 
> - Carsten
> 

Re: unordered list feature request: new sub-lists automatically switch to different list-character

[Carsten Dominik]

Hi Livin,

I have made the change to the manual much shorter, but moved the rest  
of this into the docstring of the variable.

Thanks!

- Carsten

On May 23, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Livin Stephen Sharma wrote:

>
> Livin Stephen Sharma
>
>
>
> On May 22, 2010, at 11:12:38 , Carsten Dominik wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 21, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Livin Stephen Sharma wrote:
>>
>>> Scott, Juri,
>>> thank you for your replies.
>>>
>>> 'org-list-demote-modify-bullet' is exactly what I was missing.
>>>
>>> JohnW, BerntH, Carsten,
>>> AFAICT, the manual does not mention it?
>>
>> Maybe you could suggest a place in the manual where you would have  
>> liked to find this information?  Maybe even a patch?
>
> Section "2.7 Plain lists".
> That was where I went looking for this information.
>
> Perhaps between
> a. the description of 'org-empty-line-terminates-plain-lists', and
> b. "The following commands act on items when the cursor is in the  
> first line of an item (the line with the bullet or number)"
>
> I can't submit a patch,
> but this is what I might have liked to see (the documentation- 
> addition that I might have submitted):
>
> begin
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> If you find that using a different bullet for a sub-list (than that  
> used for the current list-level) improves readability,  customize  
> the variable 'org-list-demote-modify-bullet'. For example, this lisp  
> in your '.emacs'
>> (setq org-list-demote-modify-bullet
>> 	  (quote (
>> 			  ("+" . "-") ; sub-list uses '-' if cu
>> 			  ("-" . "+")
>> 			  ("*" . "+"))))
>
> would result in such a 2-level list (which uses only '+'):
>
>> **** Take 5!
>> 	 + Movies
>> 	   + Silence of the Lambs
>> 	   + My Cousin Vinny
>> 	 + Books
>> 	   + The Hunt for Red October
>> 	   + The Road to Omaha
>
> instead looking like this (using '-' for sub-list)
>
>> **** Take 5!
>> 	 + Movies
>> 	   - Silence of the Lambs
>> 	   - My Cousin Vinny
>> 	 + Books
>> 	   - The Hunt for Red October
>> 	   - The Road to Omaha
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> end
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>
>
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- Carsten

Re: --RESOLVED-- unordered list feature request: new sub-lists automatically switch to different list-character

[Livin Stephen Sharma]

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Carsten,
 thanks for accepting it.
 It sure feels **good** to have contributed a *little*!
:)

Livin Stephen Sharma



On May 23, 2010, at 10:41:50 , Carsten Dominik wrote:

> Hi Livin,
> 
> I have made the change to the manual much shorter, but moved the rest of this into the docstring of the variable.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> - Carsten
> 
> On May 23, 2010, at 12:26 AM, Livin Stephen Sharma wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Livin Stephen Sharma
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 22, 2010, at 11:12:38 , Carsten Dominik wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 21, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Livin Stephen Sharma wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Scott, Juri,
>>>> thank you for your replies.
>>>> 
>>>> 'org-list-demote-modify-bullet' is exactly what I was missing.
>>>> 
>>>> JohnW, BerntH, Carsten,
>>>> AFAICT, the manual does not mention it?
>>> 
>>> Maybe you could suggest a place in the manual where you would have liked to find this information?  Maybe even a patch?
>> 
>> Section "2.7 Plain lists".
>> That was where I went looking for this information.
>> 
>> Perhaps between
>> a. the description of 'org-empty-line-terminates-plain-lists', and
>> b. "The following commands act on items when the cursor is in the first line of an item (the line with the bullet or number)"
>> 
>> I can't submit a patch,
>> but this is what I might have liked to see (the documentation-addition that I might have submitted):
>> 
>> begin
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> If you find that using a different bullet for a sub-list (than that used for the current list-level) improves readability,  customize the variable 'org-list-demote-modify-bullet'. For example, this lisp in your '.emacs'
>>> (setq org-list-demote-modify-bullet
>>> 	  (quote (
>>> 			  ("+" . "-") ; sub-list uses '-' if cu
>>> 			  ("-" . "+")
>>> 			  ("*" . "+"))))
>> 
>> would result in such a 2-level list (which uses only '+'):
>> 
>>> **** Take 5!
>>> 	 + Movies
>>> 	   + Silence of the Lambs
>>> 	   + My Cousin Vinny
>>> 	 + Books
>>> 	   + The Hunt for Red October
>>> 	   + The Road to Omaha
>> 
>> instead looking like this (using '-' for sub-list)
>> 
>>> **** Take 5!
>>> 	 + Movies
>>> 	   - Silence of the Lambs
>>> 	   - My Cousin Vinny
>>> 	 + Books
>>> 	   - The Hunt for Red October
>>> 	   - The Road to Omaha
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> end
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> - Carsten
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> - Carsten
> 
> 
> 


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