From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jarmo Hurri Subject: Re: A Microsoftesque detail in org Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 23:24:47 +0300 Message-ID: <87k2w754vk.fsf@iki.fi> References: <87382yji8z.fsf@iki.fi> <87lhgqxeq0.fsf@gmx.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43372) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yu57M-00076w-EP for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 17 May 2015 16:25:01 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yu57J-0007uS-69 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 17 May 2015 16:25:00 -0400 Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:39072) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yu57J-0007uC-02 for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 17 May 2015 16:24:57 -0400 Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yu57F-0004r9-Js for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Sun, 17 May 2015 22:24:53 +0200 Received: from 89-27-26-138.bb.dnainternet.fi ([89.27.26.138]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 May 2015 22:24:53 +0200 Received: from jarmo.hurri by 89-27-26-138.bb.dnainternet.fi with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 17 May 2015 22:24:53 +0200 List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org Rasmus writes: Greetings Rasmus. >> I would suggest that the original interpretation of Enter would not >> be messed with. Messing with Alt-Enter and such is fine, but Enter, >> please no. > > I disagree. Consider the more complete example: > > * TODO [#A] foo bar :tag: > > With your behavior you can (i) break the TODO tag; (ii) break the cookie; > (iii) break the tag. At least (i) and (ii) are quite destructive. I am not sure what you mean, since a single undo will always heal the line again, regardless of where you break it. I am a BIG fan of the Org mode slogan "Your life in plain text." The power of plain text has been demonstrated over and over again. You can run text manipulating commands on it, you can process it with a large array of different programming languages. An undo is a basic text editing feature that everyone should know. Reassigning non-standard behaviour to the return key is - in my opinion - against the ideology. > The attached patch re-enables breaks in region four of > org-complex-heading-regexp, i.e. from the cookie up to tags. A quick > test suggests it works nicely. > > WDYT? Given enough time, I could come up with a situation where I would run a keyboard macro in which I would expect the return key to break the line, regardless of where I was on that line (in a tag or whatever). I am a very minor player in this game, but I would really, _really_ like Org to remain as true to it's slogan as possible. Keeping it real, Jarmo